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ripta42 · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: NYCTA Museum Bus roster

I initially put this list together for MOVIEBUSES over on BusChat, but it seemed worth repeating here. This is, as far as I know, a comprehensive list of the NYCTA/MaBSTOA/MTA Bus historic fleet. Corrections and clarifications are welcome.

1917 FACCo Model A #303
1931 Yellow Coach Z-BH-602 FACCo #1263
1938 Yellow Coach Model 735 FACCo #2124
1948 GMC TDH5101 NYCO #2969 (ex-4789)
1956 Mack C49-DT #6259
1956 GMC TDH5106 FACCo #3100
1957 GMC TDH5106 #7144
1958 GMC TDH5106 #9098
1959 GMC TDH5106 Bee-Line #617 (later MSBA 617)
1959 GMC TDH5301 #100
1961 GMC TDH5301 #1059 (later MSBA 572)
1962 GMC TDH5301 #2151
1963 GMC TDH5303 #3758
1964 Flxible F2D6V401-1 #5117
1966 GMC TDH5303A #8466
1968 GMC TDH5305A #8928
1969 Flxible 111CC-D5-1 #4727
1970 GMC/Blitz T6H5305A #5227 (ex-4401)
1973 Flxible 53102-6-1 #7340
1979 GMDD T8H5307A Triboro Coach #621 & 623
1980 Grumman 870 #236
1981 GMC RTS T8W204 #1201
1982 GMDD T8H5308A New York Bus Service #1502
1985 GMC RTS T8J204 Green Lines #10001
1988 MCI TC40102A Liberty Lines #3006
1993 Orion 05.501 #101 (ex-93001)
1993 TMC RTS T80206 Queens Surface #275 (later Green Lines 1149) & Jamaica #3865 (ex-QSC 293)
1993 TMC RTS T80206 CNG Command #4904
1998 Orion 06.501 HEV #6350 (ex-NJ Transit 4000)

Q65A · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject:

Nice job!
Please also add FACCO 1263 (1931 Yellow Coach Z-BH-602)
The 1938 Yellow Coach is a Model 735, while the 1917 FACCO 303 is a Model A.

Waynejay · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:56 am Post subject:

Looks good to me. I think the model designation for NYCTA 8928 is T6H5305A.

ripta42 · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:19 am Post subject:

Q65A · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject:

According to the 2005 NYCT DOB Insider's Guide and the 2005 NYCT Vintage Bus Fleet, FACCO 303 was home-built.

Transbustuser104 · Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Staten Island, NY

Just last December during the Holiday Season New York City Transit
assigned 5 Vintage buses (#100, 2151, 4727, 5117, & 7340) to its
Crosstown Manhattan Bus Routes. I am aware that the 1938 Fifth Av Coach #2124 needs extensive repairs, while the 1956 Mack Bus #6259 has also been sidelined due to transmission problems. Just recently as of last September former NYCTA 1963 GMC TDH 5303 bus #3758 has been on the lift again. Is Museum Bus #1059 (1961 GM 5301) former NYCTA also having mechanical trouble?

Mr. Linsky · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:11 am Post subject:

Because I'm here to learn as well as to teach, can someone tell me exactly what a GMC/Blitz is?

Thanks for sharing.

Mr.Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY

nycbusfan · Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 258 Location: Brooklyn, NY

Transbustuser104 · Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Staten Island, NY

If I am not mistaking, were'nt some of these remanufactured
NYCTA GMC Blitz New Look buses retrofitted with more modern
Alison V-730 Transmission's in 1987?

Transbustuser104 · Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Staten Island, NY

Transbustuser104 · Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Staten Island, NY

Being that New York City Transit has officially designated the once
remanufactured 1970 GMC Blitz TDH 5305A NYCTA bus #5227
as a museum bus after its retirement in 1995, I am surprised that the agency has decided not to restore this bus back to its original form by putting chrome bumpers on both the front and rear of the vehicle; and
repainting it back to two tone blue with the original fleet #4401. Exclamation

ripta42 · Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject:

I'm not surprised. There are enough examples of original 1960s Fishbowls in the museum fleet. The Blitz rebuilds are different and also deserve to have a representative preserved. Also, the rebuilding was so extensive, restoring it to original condition probably would not be practical.

Transbustuser104 · Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Staten Island, NY

Was'nt the originall color of the front seats of Museum Bus #2151
(a former NYCTA 1962 GMC 5301 model) really emerald green? Question

Mr. Linsky · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:13 am Post subject:

ripta42 makes a good point when he suggests that it also may be that the 'Blitz' rebuilds are in of themselves an interesting facet of the history of the city's buses, and a specimen should be preserved just as it was after reconditioning.

Buses are often updated either to meet changes in regulations or, in most cases, to make them appear newer than they are.

Case in point; there are many photos of both New York City Omnibus and Surface Transporatation TDH 4507's sporting the later heavier bumpers of the 4509 class.

Then there's the classic makeovers that Omnibus did when they put 'Old Look' front clips on their prewar Yellow Coaches (picture below), and Triboro Coach did the same thing with their old ACF's.

Now, would any of these updates merit museum attention if they still existed? - I would say yes!

Photo borrowed for educational purposes only.

Mr.Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY

Transbustuser104 · Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Staten Island, NY

Is it true that since last Christmas, both Museum former NYCTA 1962
GMC bus #2151 and former MABSTOA 1974 Flxible bus #7340 are now stored at the Michael J. Quill Depot in Manhattan? Question