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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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(SEE PREVIOUS POSTS)
"BROADWAY" (Boston)
Again, the "Noo Yawk" subway influence is at once obvious here........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?69936
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | In 1970, the last ex-SURFACE TDH-5106s were retired; for some time, they were stored in the yard at the Colesium depot.
One of these distinctive buses (with the protruding front sign box) can be seen here (link below) at Fresh Pond, one year after retirement, in 1971.
I wonder if all of these forty buses were driven (or, more likely, towed) from the Colesium depot to Fresh Pond, prior to being scrapped.
FACL also rostered 50 of this type..........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5618
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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I doubt it was any of the 1959 ST's; those may've been some of the FACL protruding sign buses (not only the 50 that were the last ever produced of the TDH-5106 in 1959, but another 40 (2605-2644) produced the year before, and around the same time as the "Tee-Yay's" 9000 series of buses . . . remember, some of the 90 of those FACL units were Xferred in '70 to Brooklyn, so it may've been some of those. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| W.B. Fishbowl wrote: | | NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | In 1970, the last ex-SURFACE TDH-5106s were retired; for some time, they were stored in the yard at the Colesium depot.
One of these distinctive buses (with the protruding front sign box) can be seen here (link below) at Fresh Pond, one year after retirement, in 1971.
I wonder if all of these forty buses were driven (or, more likely, towed) from the Colesium depot to Fresh Pond, prior to being scrapped.
FACL also rostered 50 of this type..........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5618
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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I doubt it was any of the 1959 ST's; those may've been some of the FACL protruding sign buses (not only the 50 that were the last ever produced of the TDH-5106 in 1959, but another 40 (2605-2644) produced the year before, and around the same time as the "Tee-Yay's" 9000 series of buses . . . remember, some of the 90 of those FACL units were Xferred in '70 to Brooklyn, so it may've been some of those. |
W.B:
Thanks for this info; so these might have been the ex-FACL 5106s; I now recall that, not long before retirement, these buses were transferred to Brooklyn routes, light-years removed from "tony" 5th Avenue, for certain.............
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W.B. Fishbowl
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Thanks for posting these photos: I knew that the Broad Street station had been renovated/re-tiled sometime after I retired in 2004 (as I have recalled in the past, my building was right smack-dab against one of the entrances)
The photos you posted depicted the station I remember when I was still working on "The Street" (1979-2004)
I still recall incandescent fixtures over the old turnstiles in the mezzanine near Wall Street, as well as a snack bar and a florist (the latter was inside fare control)
"NYO"
["B.M.T. LINES"]
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These two dismal depressing photos depict prewar "Eye-En-Dee" cars being scrapped at 207th Street and CIY*.......... 
(note the straps and number plates left intact as the cars were being cut up; no wonder they are such highly-collectible items today. I sure treasure the "Arnine" relics that grace my collection today)
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?150605
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?15053
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
*The reason I'm posting these photos is that it set me to wondering just where the "Tee-Yay"/"Em-Tee-Yay" scrapped there retired buses.
Did they scrap them "in house", on company property?
Or, were they sold to "outside" scrap dealers? |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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Has anyone else noticed (regarding the former "bus repository" between the BMT ramps at Fresh Pond Road) that the buses, in every photo, are parked facing OUT from the narrowest part of the area; no photos depict buses being store head in.
It had to be QUITE a chore (especially with no power steering!) to back all of those buses into this narrow area (I'm also assuming that, when it was time for scrapping, these buses were removed by tow truck.............
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?6843
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5618
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2099 (I STILL steadfastly believe that these Fishbowls were scrapped at "too young an age"; likewise the TDH-5106s)
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 8:44 am Post subject: |
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20 actually. That 23rd Street section was one of the extended portions tiled in 1948 - notice the variant of the lettered and numbered tiles as used on the following "Eye-En-Dee" stations (by order of opening)
Jamaica Line:
- Sutphin Boulevard
- Parsons Boulevard
- 169th Street
Sixth Avenue Line:
- 14th Street
- 23rd Street
- 34th Street (since tiled way over - and its looks ruined in the process)
- 42nd Street
- 47th-50th Streets - Rockefeller Center |
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Has anyone else noticed (regarding the former "bus repository" between the BMT ramps at Fresh Pond Road) that the buses, in every photo, are parked facing OUT from the narrowest part of the area; no photos depict buses being store head in.
It had to be QUITE a chore (especially with no power steering!) to back all of those buses into this narrow area (I'm also assuming that, when it was time for scrapping, these buses were removed by tow truck.............
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?6843
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5618
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2099 (I STILL steadfastly believe that these Fishbowls were scrapped at "too young an age"; likewise the TDH-5106s)
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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Who knows if any of those particular "Jetsons" were deemed expendable once the "Tee-Yay's" lot of "Dangerfields" (4000-4202) arrived in 1969-70, followed in early '71 by the last lot of 5305A's (4300-4499)? Also, this was as they were about to get the 6000 series of 5309A's that ushered in the "two-tone blue" paint scheme.
But yeah . . . what a waste. The "Em-Tee-Yay" did, at that time, seem entranced by the "shiny and new" while looking down on what they doubtless thought of as "relics." The ST "protruding front sign Shermans" outside Coliseum depot in 1970 are testament to this. So are those Fresh Pond photos. I myself presented, in the past, at least one pic of abandoned FACL/ST "Jetsons" being picked bit by bit before being sent off to the "crusher."
As for the terminology "repository": I am reminded, when that word comes up, of a pre-ATM depository situated for years outside the Chemical Bank branch at 65th and Broadway - which, because of some mishandling over the years, when I saw it, read "Defositopy." |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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W.B.:
Great post (and info) as always.
Seeing buses that were only on the streets for a little more than a decade scrapped is beyond wasteful, especially when Your's Truly can clearly recall 25- to 30-year old relics still in service with the various Hudson County "independents" in my much younger days (of course, in those days, there were no "Fedbux" and subsidiaries to allow for the purchase of new buses, so, no wonder those antiques ran as long as they did; of course, these buses were built like tanks! (in my area, Fishbowls were not to be seen until about 1967, when the square-window "Shermans", "Pattons", and assorted other relics were being replaced by "Bullet" Fishbowls)
IMHO, too many still serviceable buses were retired far too earlier..........
"NYO"
["SURE-IT'S A MACK!"]
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