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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver:

Were the "Buffalo"/"Bison" as good performers (handling, etc) as the 4104s and 4106s?

"NYO"

["GMC"]


As for power, they were better than the six cylinder 4104's, but about equal to the eight cylinder 4106's.
They were much harder to shift gears than the earlier model's. They had a different clutch setup, of some kind.
As for handling, they were okay, but due to there height, were more difficult to handle in strong cross-winds. They were great on some charters, as far as loading lots of luggage, due to their large (and higher) baggage bays.
They did have appeal to passengers account their styling, and "theater seating" in the first four rows...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

THANK YOU for, once again, providing some detailed and most interesting info! Wink

Here in NJ, "Buffalsp" began to become commonplace in the later 1950s and early 1970s.

The "Joisey" suburban companies seemed to be enamored with them, using them on both the longer-haul commuter runs, as well as far charters.

Those I recall were rostered by:

PSNJ

ORANGE & BLACK

DE CAMP

MANHATTAN LINES

INTER-CITY

SHORTLINE

First I ever rode was waaaaay back in 1973, when my folks and I took a week-long trip to Canada (PARKER TOURS/CASSER TOURS)

I thought of this type of bus as being a "Scenicruiser Jr" Wink

In the early/mid-1980s, I often rode them on the former O&B's "RIVER ROAD EXPRESS" (and always enjoyed the ride!)

Aaahh, the nostalgia! Very Happy

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In retrospect..........

That the "Buffalo"/"Bison" was operated by both GREYHOUND and TRAILWAYS (and affiliated companies) was indeed proof that these distinctive buses (the very last intercity buses that GM would build) were equally "at home" in intercity services, as they were on the longer commuter runs.

Hard to believe it is now close to forty years since I last rode aboard one of these classic coaches......... Rolling Eyes

'NYO"

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Here's one for you..........

Am curious to know if DOMENICO ever rostered any "Buffalos"?

I cannot ever recall seeing any, but, of course, that does not mean that the company did not operate the type.

I DO know that they operated at least one "SCENICRUISER" (#400)

As always, appreciate your input.......... Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver:

Here's one for you..........

Am curious to know if DOMENICO ever rostered any "Buffalos"?

I cannot ever recall seeing any, but, of course, that does not mean that the company did not operate the type.

I DO know that they operated at least one "SCENICRUISER" (#400)

As always, appreciate your input.......... Wink


I do recall them having some. Here's one source, but the Scenicruiser is not mentioned.

https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Domenico_Bus_Service


I actually rode their Scenicruiser from Staten Island to The Port. They were one of the very first companies to buy them from Greyhound.
The driver seemed to be in "his glory", piloting it thru New Jersey. He is memorable for being very short in stature, and wore colorful checkerboard pattern driving gloves. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

THANK YOU for this fleet list; to be totally truthful, I had no idea that DOMENICO's fleet was, at one time, as diverse as it was....had NO IDEA that they once rostered 4104s and Flxibles!

I DO recall seeing their Fishbowls every so often, long, long ago; myself and a buddy from work booked DOMENICO tour packages (buses were MCIs) in 1990 (Gatlinburg), 1992 (New Orleans), and 1993 (Myrtle Beach/Charleston)

Had a GREAT TIME on each trip; great drivers, for sure.....always congenial amd friendly! (and great sense of humor!)

On the New Orleans trip, our driver was an amusing fellow named Bill Lipscombe, who originally came from "N'Awlins" (and still had family there) who was a huge fan of New Orleans jazz (he played great tapes for us en route; like myself, he was also a big Al Hirt and Pete Fountain fan!)

Last driver I traveled with was Mark Driver (he reminded me of Sidney Poitier!); he told us all: "If you forget my name, just remember that my last name is also what I do for a living!) Wink

Sadly, a number of years ago, found out that he passed away, at too young an age....he was a great fellow, and a true PROFESSIONAL as a driver (and, also, an outstanding "sideline" tour guide!)

My folks and I took a Thanksgiving trip down to Florida (1978); the driver, Bill Kerne, after learning of my great interest in buses, later generously sent me an old b/w photo of the handsome 4103 he once drove, many years earlier! Very Happy

Hard to believe that the company went under so suddenly, only a year after I'd taken my trip to Myrtle Beach and Charleston. Sad

Sure glad I've got a lot of GREAT memories! Wink

"NYO"

["MCI"]


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nostalgic memories of DOMENICO's Fishbowls, back in the 70s...... Wink

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155292 (note sedan door)

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155295 (note old telephone exchange on "CHARTER BUSES" sign)

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155293 ("The Port")

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155299 (note original NH catenary and catenary towers)

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155298 (talk about a "time warp"!) Shocked

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155296 ("An All-American Classic"!) Wink

(courtesy; nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"ON THE JOB"...........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155297

"A LONG WAY FROM BROOKLYN!"

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155291

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trinity & Rector, 1976 (note first-generation Fishbowl #505's "sightseeing panels" in the roof.........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155290

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"LONE WOLF", 1978.................

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155294

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.............

In a book I have about the production of 1939's "THE WIZARD OF OZ", there is a 1939 photo of the "Tin Man" balloon being manhandled down Broadway, as part of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.

On an adjacent side street, there is a building festooned with huge advertisements (some electrically lit)

One interesting sign is partially obscured by the Tin Man balloon; I was, however, decipher the sign in its entirety"

ALL-AMERICAN BUS TERMINAL

300 BUSSES TO AMERICAN CITIES NATIONWIDE

(note that "buses" is here spelled with two "s", which was once commonplace)

Now, recall, the other "independent" Manhattan bus stations at the time, such as those where GREYHOUND and other through carriers "held court".

Indeed, it HAD to have been an EXCITING time for bus buffs, back in '39; just think of the vast variety of bus makes and the colorful liveries of the companies then ruling the roads........... Wink

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of the independent bus terminals in Manhattan so long ago, this one, hidden in the basement of a midtown hotel, even had its own turntable, to guide the buses into their respective "slots".

Of course, us "die-hard bus historians" have known about this intriguing "mystery station" for many a year, now!

VERY interesting pics! (historic and modern)............... Wink

"NYO"

https://www.scoutingny.com/the-1930s-bus-station-hidden-in-a-times-square-hotel/

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Carter

(scroll down page to "BUS TERMINAL" heading)

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, NYO.

I actually had read about this before. Pretty unique!
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