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Cyberider
Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 801 Location: Tempe, AZ
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of action in that shot. Plus the museum train of Low-V's/ |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 26434 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Cyberider wrote: | Lots of action in that shot. Plus the museum train of Low-V's/ |
Cyberider:
Right you are!
The year before this photo was taken, "Lo-Vs" were taken off the IRT "mainlines"; the few remaining cars (as you already know) were exiled to the 3rd Avenue El the Bronx, where, along with a small number of the 1938 "WF" cars, they ran until 1969, being replaced by "R-12s" (which also had monitor roofs) which were built in 1948 by ACF.
However, a number of battered and beat-up "Lo-Vs" remained in MOW service into the early 1980s..........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 26434 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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"SCENICRUISER CAMEO" (1975)
Indeed, this SCENICRUISER looks QUITE the "odd one out" bringing up the rear of this lineup of chartered Old Looks!
What a great little "vintage bus rally" this classic lineup would have made at a bus rally today!
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153607
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 26434 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Guadalajara, 1977.
Now, THIS is what I calm "DIVERSITY"*, back in the days when transit was STILL a most INTERESTING hobby!
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?157259
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
*The highway coach trailing the trolleybus is a DINA "Flexiliner", indeed a now a rare classic unto itself! |
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Cyberider
Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 801 Location: Tempe, AZ
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:08 am Post subject: |
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NYO: That's the kind of "diversity" I can live with. Nice Wagoneer too! |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 26434 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Cyberider wrote: | NYO: That's the kind of "diversity" I can live with. Nice Wagoneer too! |
Cyberider:
I TOTALLY concur!
Today's bus operations (transit/intercity) are all the same......the buses are bland, uninteresting, and insipid, and not a trace remains of the once colorful and commonplace "diversity" we all took for granted, back in the day.
"Light Rail" is equally a turn-off.
Ahhhh, but thank the good Lord for memories! (and photos!)
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Curious......
I wonder what particular type of bus served GREYHOUND longer than any other?
In other words, what type bus would have held the "house record" for longevity, in the GREYHOUND fleet?
Too (I know this would have been easy to find on the old "STRAYHOUND" site) I'd be interested in finding out when GREYHOUND retired the last of the older front-engined buses, which, of course, were important members of the fleet, during the WW2 years, when ALL available rolling stock had to be utilized, to cope with the tremendous surge in traffic......
"NYO"
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traildriver
Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2522 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Curious......
I wonder what particular type of bus served GREYHOUND longer than any other?
In other words, what type bus would have held the "house record" for longevity, in the GREYHOUND fleet?
Too (I know this would have been easy to find on the old "STRAYHOUND" site) I'd be interested in finding out when GREYHOUND retired the last of the older front-engined buses, which, of course, were important members of the fleet, during the WW2 years, when ALL available rolling stock had to be utilized, to cope with the tremendous surge in traffic......
"NYO"
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I don't know the definitive answer, but thinking about it...
The conventional (front engine) buses were new in the Greyhound fleet mainly in the 1920's and early 1930's. The new Supercoaches were new in 1936, and they quickly made conventional bus design obsolete. So, I would guess the conventional's did not last long into the late '40's, only prolonged by the War.
The Silverside's replaced the Supercoach beginning in 1939 or 40, and the last version was built in 1948, when the 4101 replaced it. As I have mentioned earlier, when I was on temporary assignment in San Francisco in 1971, there were still a few of those used in rush hour commute service to the East Bay. I believe they ended the next year, so they could have been in service at least 24 years, and possibly 33 years if they were one of the first ones built (not likely).
I don't think any other model lasted as long wholly in the Greyhound fleet, not counting life after Greyhound with a new owner. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 26434 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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traildriver:
Once again, GREATLY APPRECIATE your always-informative and highly-detailed input.
I am now thinking of the 743s, which, in their later years, some were rebuilt and modernized (with 6-71 diesels), and also, the buses received updated paint schemes as well as silversiding.
I've seen photos of these good-looking, updated 743s; "SWG" operated some of these (CORGI also offered a really sharp replica of this modernized 743 years back; the one I have is part of a 1950s bus station diorama!)
"NYO"
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traildriver
Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2522 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:08 am Post subject: |
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I only had one ride in a 743, which was on a 7th grade school trip to Washington, DC back in 1960. The charter operator had at first dispatched a Silversides PD-3751, but when our teacher checked the credential's, found it did not have an insurance certificate. So we waited over an hour for the small charter carrier to come up with a coach that did, and it turned out to be the 743. It had to be at least 21 years old at the time, but it got us there and back safely. I remember the distinctive "Greyhound Lines" logo molded into its dashboard, and the interior lights which were enclosed in a long plastic tube, mimicking a florescent tube, even though they were not nearly as bright...
The seats were very comfortable, with tons of legroom, and deep recline... |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 26434 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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traildriver;
GREAT MEMORIES....thanks for sharing!
While I DO indeed recall seeing 743s in charter service as a young lad every once in awhile, I never got to ride one of these classic buses.
I also well remember "Silversides" in charter service, but, again, never got to ride on one; every so often, I'd; seen an ultra-rare "AEROCOACH" in charter service around my area, 60-odd years ago......NEVER thought I was witnessing bus history, right before my young eyes!
Ahhh, but for the the days of REAL buses and not "BINOs" (Buses In Name Only)........
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 26434 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 12:24 am Post subject: |
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A new era for GREYHOUND was indeed dawning............
A circa-1955 booklet I have in my collection, "THE SCENICRUISER-a new milestone marking Greyhound leadership in bus development.", indeed takes us back to what was, perhaps, the most elegant and stylish era for 'The Hound".
"Greyhound introduces a new era in highway travel with this revoltionary new bus."
This an excellent little publication, highlighting many different features of this now-iconic highway coach (power plant, transmission, air-conditioning, seating, etc.
One interesting heading:
"POOLING OF BUSES".......
"........pooling of buses provides the most convenient service possible between major terminal points because the transfer of passengers and baggage is eliminated......."
".......this pooling also includes the cooperative ownership of power packs. Spare engines are strategically placed along major routes........"
".......investment required for spare equipment can be reduced because engines, rather then complete buses, are involved......"
There is also a timeless (and majestic!) photo showing an impressive lineup of new 4104s, modernized 743s, and Silversides, along with the following caption":
".......licenses on idle buses are a needless expense......"
Superimposed on this photo is a small "insert" showing the rear of a "Hound" plastered with multiple plates.
Ahhhh, where have 70 years gone.....hard to believe that the sleek, modern, flash SCENICRUISER is a now a 70 year-old bus, with roots going even further back!
"NYO"
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traildriver
Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2522 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:57 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | A new era for GREYHOUND was indeed dawning............
A circa-1955 booklet I have in my collection, "THE SCENICRUISER-A new milestone marking Greyhound leadership in bus development.", indeed takes us back to what was, perhaps, the most elegant and stylish era for 'The Hound".
"Greyhound introduces a new era in highway travel with this revoltionary new bus."
This an excellent little publication, highlighting many different features of this now-iconic highway coach (power plant, transmission, air-conditioning, seating, etc.
One interesting heading:
"POOLING OF BUSES".......
"........pooling of buses provides the most convenient service possible between major terminal points because the transfer of passengers and baggage is eliminated......."
".......this pooling also includes the cooperative ownership of power packs. Spare engines are strategically placed along major routes........"
".......investment required for spare equipment can be reduced because engines, rather then complete buses, are involved......"
There is also a timeless (and majestic!) photo showing an impressive lineup of new 4104s, modernized 743s, and Silversides, along with the following caption":
".......licenses on idle buses are a needless expense......"
Superimposed on this photo is a small "insert" showing the rear of a "Hound" plastered with multiple plates.
Ahhhh, where have 70 years gone.....hard to believe that the sleek, modern, flash SCENICRUISER is a now a 70 year-old bus, with roots going even further back!
"NYO"
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Interchangeable "power packs" was to my knowledge, never implemented. I can't even conceive of changing an engine out during a one hour service stop of a thru coach. If a major problem occurred, the coach was cut by another one.
Eliminating multi state license plates was finally accomplished many years later. Buses (and trucks), now only display their home registered state, but display a current "IFTA" Sticker on each side, indicating they have paid in to the Interstate Fuel Tax Association, prorating their fuel tax miles proportionately to the states they operate in.
One consequence to bus fans, was no longer seeing "exotic" far off state plates displayed on transcontinental thru buses. I especially liked the Wyoming one with the cowboy on a bronco... |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 26434 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:39 am Post subject: |
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traildriver:
As always, greatly appreciate your always-intriguing (and knowledgeable!) input!
On a few of of the vintage tin toy SCENICRUISERS I have in my collection (and I have many!), multiple plates are indeed replicated (recall the many plates displayed by the "Star Hound" in 1934's hit comedy, "IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT")
As a "young 'un", I always loved seeing the buses displaying the colorful plates from different states; made you want to hop aboard one of these diesel-powered "magic carpets" and see all of those states yourself!
Alas, it was all so long ago.
On a related note, recall that FLXIBLE's "Clippers" and 'Visicoaches" were equipped with a rear plate holder, which could handle up to four plates; these holders used tension springs to eliminating rattling en-route............
"NYO"
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