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There's more to a picture than meets the eye.....
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Proud to be at the controls of Peter Witt #8186.......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140995

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recalling the great and legendary Duke Ellington's classic, timeless, signature tune, "Take the 'A' Train"......... Wink

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?122431

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?12857

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Another nostalgic 'Where'd it all go?" scene; this refreshingly enticing wintertime scene dates to 1972, and was taken at 2nd Avenue & 125th St.

Note the dapper driver, looking quite smart! Very Happy

Also, note the other "Tee-Yay" bus in the right background (that car parked on the left REALLY took a good hit, somewhere!!) Shocked Shocked

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?273

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Too bad none of the Flxibles ordered by the 'Tee-Yay' between 1964 and 1966 didn't see much, if any, service within the 126th Street ('MAN') depot for dispatching to any of their five routes . . .
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

It always fascinated me as to what buses went to what depots as they were delivered.

As a general rule (and I know this held true in NJ for many years), as new buses were delivered many (but not all) older buses were retained for peak hour services, before being finally retired.

Other bus series were often split between divisions (this was a holdover from the old PSNJ trolley days)

About 1985, NJT was assigning some off-beat stuff to my #181 for a time (which used ex-PSNJ Z-300 Fishbowls for many years; later, Metros)

This included suburban Fishbowls, which were ill-suited for the stop-and-go nature of the line (NO rear doors, of course!)

No complaints from Your's Truly, however, as you might guess! Wink

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little topic-related trivia.......

Al Roker (long-time NBC weatherman) once talked about how his dad was a New York bus driver; young Al would often ride along with his dad.

A very close African-American friend of mine (RIP) at work (who was also my supervisor for a time) told me that his dad also drove a New York bus, and was good friend's with Al's dad.

For whatever reason, I never thought to ask my friend what route his dad drove for....oh, well.......

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fulton St. & Alabama Avenue, 1981.

Also, note the train of R-27/30's overhead; looks as though attempts were made to remove the scourge of graffiti (God, that crap was AWFUL....and just EVERYWHERE!!)........

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1465

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"LEADER OF THE PACK" (Fulton St. & Flatbush Ave., 1972)............

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1466

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"COMING AND GOING" (5th Ave. and 94th, 1981)........

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1434

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"EXPRESSWAY RUNNIN' (1978)

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2222

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: There's more to a picture than meets the eye..... Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
All:

Though this isn't a bus photo, it does also relate to vintage NYC bus photos (especially on bus.nycsubway.org).

At first glance, this photo* of B&QT Peter Witt #8528 appears to be "just another Brooklyn Peter Witt photo"; but, look closely, and you will see something else that sets this photo apart from countless other Brooklyn streetcar photos.

Look closely, and you will notice that the motorman is an African-American male; this, in itself, makes this photo pretty uncommon, especially that, in looking back, the only other Brooklyn streetcar photo I've ever seen with an African-American motorman was in the "BROOKLYN TROLLEYS" book (Greller/Watson)

This photo shows Peter Witt #8456 on the "METROPOLITAN" line.

In the 1954 children's book "BIG CITY TRANSPORTATION", there is a photo of an African-American subway conductor operating the doors between two R-11 cars.

In Joe Cunningham's "INTERBOROUGH FLEET", there is a photo (1955) showing an African-American IRT motorman on a Dyre Ave. line Lo-V, with his vestibule door open partially, to admit a rare, welcome breeze on a hot day.

Bus-wise, from the hundreds of NYC bus photos I have researched through bus.nycsubway.org, it seems that the oldest photos showing African-American drivers/dispatchers, etc. date to the late 60's and early 1970's.

One can only imagine what these men felt, sixty/70-odd years ago, joining a workforce that made then an automatic "ultra minority".

It had to take GUTS, I am sure.

Like Your's Truly is fond of saying: "If you're gonna play the game, it's a good idea to know ALL the players"..........

"NYO"

* http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?31168

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Sorry, but the motorman in #8528 looks white. Also, where is the photo of #8456?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankie:

I stand corrected on the streetcar number I had posted; the Peter Witt in the book "BROOKLYN TROLLEYS" (Greller/Watson) with a black motorman is #8466, not #8456, as I incorrectly stated.

This photo can be found on page #65.

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A photogenic green Flex New Look #5053, along with a dapper driver, were "frozen in time" forever, in 1971, when this timeless photo was taken......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1590

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbush & Nostrand, 1973........

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1568

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newark (Penn Station) 1969.......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?72509

Before Your's Truly had even started school, the City Subway (today's Newark Light Rail) introduced me to my lifelong love of trolleys.

Mom and I rode the line many times when was growing up, and I railfanned it extensively, starting in the early 70's, and midway through the decade.

I got to know the system well, thanks largely to then Supervisor Bob Kittler (a veteran PS trolley man), who allowed me to visit the repair shops under Penn Station, ride the cars out to various photo locations (free of charge) and ocassionaly ride the old flatbed work motor (a cut-down Compromise roof PSNJ streetcar) out to Franklin Avenue and return.

The shop crew were Entertainment Personified, and REALLY took pride in their work (through them, I was able to add several old traction items to my collection!)

I also remember well the motormen (or "operators", if you will); I recall several that were black, and all of them treated me with courtesy.

I still happily recall those wonderful old days......I lost all interest in the line once the new light rail cars (aka "Baby Belugas") replaced the venerable old PCC's.

To me, these days, it's just another ho-hum light rail line; but, back in the day, the City Subway in all its magical, historical magnificence was like a second home to me.

This photo, taken at Penn Station in 1969, shows an outbound car ready to depart (note the white shirt on the lucky fellow at the controls!)

Also, note the classic Johnson fare box; as the big, bulky NCR registers dominated PS routes, these fare boxes added a touch of novelty to this wonderful old PS car line........

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whow today knows of "Joe Clough"?

In the pre-WW1 era, Mr. Clough was the first black man to drive a London motorbus.

Today, it is difficult, if not impossible, to even try to grasp the concept of just what an accomplishment it was, especially back in those early days of buses.

An inspiration for the many that followed him through the decades, to be sure.......

http://h2g2.com/edited_entry/A4197350
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