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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A gloomy day indeed in '55; this shot was taken at Myrtle & Vanderbilt, with a GM about to pass under the El, while two others head in the opposite direction......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4004

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Circa-1941, downtown Brooklyn is bustling with commerce and activity; it would seem that, in this view, the lone bus was indeed in the ULTRA-minority, among the Peter Witts and the PCC's.......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117755

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Circa-1941, downtown Brooklyn is bustling with commerce and activity; it would seem that, in this view, the lone bus was indeed in the ULTRA-minority, among the Peter Witts and the PCC's.......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117755

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)


The LIRR Flatbush Avenue terminal is at the right, without Starbucks. The line of southbound trolleys includes two PCC's on the Seventh Avenue line, the destination the car barn at 9th Avenue and 20th Street. I don't recall how the line jogged off Seventh Avenue to reach the barn.
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In the photo, the 3rd streetcar may be a 6000 on the Flatbush Avenue line.
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I am unable to find in the photo any dollar van competing with the B41.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe:

Nope!

NO, repeat, NO competing "dollar vans" in that busy 1941 scene! Shocked Wink

Also, appreciate the info as to where the trolleys were headed; it would be interesting to see a photo of this same area, today....I'm SURE there have been changes......unfortunately....... Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Circa-1940, we see an elderly member of the vast B&QT fleet in the company of several early prewar buses (ENY), which, at least to my eye, did not look all that modern, even then!

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117437

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe:

Earlier, you had mentioned fare boxes aboard the Peter Witts; check this one out........

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?94190

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Joe:

Earlier, you had mentioned fare boxes aboard the Peter Witts; check this one out........

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?94190

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The date on that photo is 1954. For the nickel fare collection in four boroughs, I remember the slender fare boxes on Manhattan and Bronx buses and streetcars, plus turnstiles on Comprehensive and the Brooklyn PCC's and 6000's. However, I cannot recall what fare box was used on Peter Witts and older Brooklyn cars prior to 1948. The introduction of the 7 cent fare required the use of a counting drum.
By "slender fare box" I mean something like the model J, but accepting only nickels (one bing) and dimes (2 bings). The mistaken insertion of a penny caused the motorman or driver to get angry, as it may have rung up as a dime.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe:

Great trivia, as always (and thanks for sharing!) Wink

Could you imagine the motormen/bus drivers of that era suddenly finding themselves transported to 2019, and encountering today's hi-tech fare collection units??? Shocked Shocked Shocked

Fred Flintstone meets George Jetson!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked Shocked Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresh Pond Road (Flushing/Ridgewood line, circa-1940)

Note the bus edging into the photo from the left.........

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117802

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

N4 Jamaica wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Joe:

Earlier, you had mentioned fare boxes aboard the Peter Witts; check this one out........

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?94190

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)


The date on that photo is 1954. For the nickel fare collection in four boroughs, I remember the slender fare boxes on Manhattan and Bronx buses and streetcars, plus turnstiles on Comprehensive and the Brooklyn PCC's and 6000's. However, I cannot recall what fare box was used on Peter Witts and older Brooklyn cars prior to 1948. The introduction of the 7 cent fare required the use of a counting drum.
By "slender fare box" I mean something like the model J, but accepting only nickels (one bing) and dimes (2 bings). The mistaken insertion of a penny caused the motorman or driver to get angry, as it may have rung up as a dime.


Joe:

According to the caption, this photo was taken about 1932......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?141967

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbush & Atlantic, 1948.

An interesting contrast here between a "modern" B&QT 6000 series car, and a new St. Louis trolleybus, with the LIRR terminal in the background......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117837

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15 wrote:
Ive looked through my collection of Fifth Avenue Coach and New York City Omnibus photos and I noticed that they also had Serif font number for their fleet numbers.

BTW, the new look buses had Serif font numbers on the exterior but the fleet numbers in the interior on the destination sign cover/door were not Serif font.

The serif font on FACCo/NYCO buses were a bit different from that on B&QT trolleys (whether Peter Witts or PCC's), then on NYCTA 'Old Looks', then the TA and MaBSTOA 'New Looks'. The FACCo/NYCO numerals did appear on some 'Tee-Yay' New Look stock up to the mid-1960's, after a repainting.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This bustling 1940's photo of a VERY busy Bridge Plaza depot shows no buses, it brought to my mind a bus-related question.

I have seen later photos of this facility* (in this configuration) showing streetcars, buses, and trolley buses; my question is this:

How much longer did this station remain in this configuration after the last streetcars departed, serving the buses and trolley coaches?

"NYO"

*That this station utilized an interlocking tower is quite impressive, and shows just what a busy facility this was, back in the day.....

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?43591

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PS: Judging by this old 1940's photo, "gridlock" is certainly NOTHING new in New York.......Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vernon Boulevard, 1931.

A front-engined bus is partially blocked by the streetcar here; note, also, the subway entrances.......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?141994

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
This bustling 1940's photo of a VERY busy Bridge Plaza depot shows no buses, it brought to my mind a bus-related question.

I have seen later photos of this facility* (in this configuration) showing streetcars, buses, and trolley buses; my question is this:

How much longer did this station remain in this configuration after the last streetcars departed, serving the buses and trolley coaches?

"NYO"

*That this station utilized an interlocking tower is quite impressive, and shows just what a busy facility this was, back in the day.....

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?43591

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

PS: Judging by this old 1940's photo, "gridlock" is certainly NOTHING new in New York.......Rolling Eyes


Searching the vast photo collection of nycsubway.org is difficult unless you know the number of the car you want. They are then filed by the first digit, so 80's, 800's, and 8000's are in the same sequence.
This photo does not do justice to one of the major functions of Bridge Plaza, the transfer to Bridge Locals. Some routes ran to Delancey Street, but others did not. The track at the far right was, I think for Bridge Locals and other cars heading to Delancey Street. Note how the fence has a zig-zag to provide an unsheltered waiting area for passengers going to Manhattan. The wait may have been less than a minute.
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I well remember when bridge trolley service was discontinued and everybody had to ride a B39. Probably because of the free Metrocard transfer at Marcy Avenue, the ridership on the B39 is low in 2019. It may have been the first time I rode a Brooklyn Board of Transportation bus, and I think they were the paired-window GMC's.
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The next question is to learn when the shelters were destroyed. That could be answered by a time-consuming analysis of photos.
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