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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:11 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Thanks.
For some reason, the Fishbowls with "fixed windows" that stick out most in my mind were the "blackout buses" running on the long-defunct #144 (MOUNTAIN COACHES/TRACKLESS TRANSIT) out of Newark, in the early/mid-1970s.
Yes, I do now recall "Bison" operated by "En-Jay Tee" (MAPLEWOOD EQUIPMENT Co."), in the early days (those Your's Truly knew best were those running on the ex-ORANGE & BLACK's "RIVER ROAD EXPRESS", during rush hours.........
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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The "Are-Tee-Es" (the twilight years)..........
Curious as to the last several years that the RTS was in operation for the MTA:
By that time, were replacement parts becoming more difficult to obtain?
Were there retired buses being cannibalized to keep remaining buses in operation?
As always, appreciate any info............
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 58 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 3533 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:37 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | The "Are-Tee-Es" (the twilight years)..........
Curious as to the last several years that the RTS was in operation for the MTA:
By that time, were replacement parts becoming more difficult to obtain?
Were there retired buses being cannibalized to keep remaining buses in operation?
As always, appreciate any info............
"NYO"
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It would seem to be the case with all "old venerables" that were about to be put to pasture. But as I've said, and as we all know, the "Are-Tee-Ess' " demise was hastened by: a) that series of Daily News articles about how such once-mainstays were generally (but not exclusively) confined to the poorest areas of the city, namely in Brooklyn (though "tony" 42d Street and the M20 - Eighth Avenue line also used such buses), and b) the "Em-Tee-Yay's" push to go all-electric (a mania which also explains their putting all their subway eggs in one "See-Bee-Tee-See" basket - and throwing the proverbial "block signalling" baby out with the bathwater). (Though the 1954-58 C-49DT "Pattons" " 'stoa" inherited from "Soiface" did wind down their careers going along "tony" Broadway and 42d Street, via the M-104.)
Similar to how the fleets of workable "vintage" subway cars got smaller and smaller; I can only presume vital parts of old cars were picked apart before they were scrapped, for example (i.e. the "Arnines" or "Artens" or, in their last years, the "Are-Toity-Two's").
Who would've thought, on the subways, the R-32 would have had a run in-between the "Brooklyn Battleships" (a.k.a. "Standards" a.k.a. "Steels") and the "Q's" that ended their long run on the old "Moit" el, and the "Torpedoes' " run on our streets would have exceeded the Fishbowls and the "Shermans / Kramdens" in terms of years served, when each was first introduced onto where they served - and into our consciousness. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:06 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
THANK YOU......EXCELLENT "commentary"!
Recall, that, by the time that the last "R-12/14/15s" were making their swan song (mostly relegated to the 7th Avenue line by this late date) when the "Silverboids" ("R-62s") were just entering "soivice", a good many of these battle-scarred old workhorses (all over "toity" years old by then) had already been retired, and no doubt that a number of these cars ended up "donor" cars, to keep the remaining dwindling fleet running.
Now, recall when the hulking "Pattons" were poised for retirement; by that time, MACK had not built any new buses in a number of years.
And, yes, I DO well recall all the flack about older buses being assigned to routes in poorer areas (ah, political correctness has infilterated all aspects of life, these days); and, now, with the "Em-Tee-Yay" going "all 'lectric", and going gung-ho with "See-Bee-Tee-See" underground, transit's getting far too hi-tech and too politically motivated, IMHO..........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Here's something else of interest we MIGHT have touched, quite awhile back.........
When the "Are-Tee-Es" first entered "soivice", what type of fare boxes were then in use? (of course, tokens would still be in use for many years to come)
Upon retirement, what types were then aboard the buses?
Thanks in advance.....
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 58 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 3533 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Here's something else of interest we MIGHT have touched, quite awhile back.........
When the "Are-Tee-Es" first entered "soivice", what type of fare boxes were then in use? (of course, tokens would still be in use for many years to come)
Upon retirement, what types were then aboard the buses?
Thanks in advance.....
"NYO"
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On the "Tee-Yay" and " 'stoa" "Torpedoes," definitely the Keene K-25's and/or K-50's at the time they first entered "soivice"; whatever was used to replace them, and in particular for use with MetroCards, had been installed in their last years, I think it was the GFI Faremaster. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 26430 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:22 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
I KNEW you'd be the man for this one.....thanks!
And, to think, in my day, the "joisey" indies were STILL using those ancient, clunky, glass-topped Johnson "D" fareboxes; the very last did not disappear until about 1997 (ironically, the last one I remember was being used aboard an ex-WAMATA "Dangerfield", running on the old NHBL #1 to "Joinal" Square!)
Obviously, this was one of the "rescue" buses that, years before, were sent north from "Dee-See" when the "Borough Bombers" were dropping like flies......
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Quick question............
Is it safe to assume that the "Are-Tee-Es" once carried Yankees fans to and from the Stadium?
What about the infamous "Borough Bombers"?
Appreciate info, as always......
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 58 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 3533 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Quick question............
Is it safe to assume that the "Are-Tee-Es" once carried Yankees fans to and from the Stadium?
What about the infamous "Borough Bombers"?
Appreciate info, as always......
"NYO"
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I think I may've gone on with the "Bombers' " history some time back about whether they carried Yankees fans to and from games. But the "Torpedoes"? I'd say very, very likely they did. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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W.B:
Thanks for the info; by the time the last "Torpedoes" carried Yankee fans to the stadium, it had to have been at least several decades since the last "Kramdens" were in attendance at "The House That Ruth Built".........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Mabstoa 15:
THANK YOU for the link; TOTALLY forgot about you posting these incredible old photos (as well as providing some VERY interesting information!)
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Just thinking...............
Odd how it was humble Queens "indies" that "foist" operated the RTS in "Noo Yawk" in revenue "soivice"(1979), and NOT the mighty "Em-Tee-Yay" (maybe they were waiting for any potential bugs to be worked out!)
However, there was no turning back when the "Em-Tee-Yay" began ordering RTS in large numbers over a period of many years.....indeed, it WAS pretty obvious that they were QUITE enamored with the sleek new "Torpedo"......
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 58 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 3533 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:01 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Just thinking...............
Odd how it was humble Queens "indies" that "foist" operated the RTS in "Noo Yawk" in revenue "soivice"(1979), and NOT the mighty "Em-Tee-Yay" (maybe they were waiting for any potential bugs to be worked out!)
However, there was no turning back when the "Em-Tee-Yay" began ordering RTS in large numbers over a period of many years.....indeed, it WAS pretty obvious that they were QUITE enamored with the sleek new "Torpedo"......
"NYO"
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No doubt the "Em-Tee-Yay's" ordering "Are-Tee-Ess' " in what the Coneheads called "mass quantities" over a period of nearly two decades seemed to be compensation on their part for missing out at the onset - especially after having previously put all their eggs in one "Borough Bomber" basket . . . |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Indeed, just as how the "Kramdens" and the Fishbowls eventually became the solid backbone of the NYCTA/MTA fleets, the "Torpedo" indeed became QUITE the DOMINANT player in "Noo Yawk" for, sure!
IMHO, the NOVA models that were operated by "En-Jay-Tee": were retired far too early.........
"NYO"
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