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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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traildriver/All:
Way, way back in 2011, our late, great friend and Highly Exalted Bus Historian Mr. Linsky started a thread entitled: "THE GM HIGHWAY POST OFFICE"; this was the first time I had ever seen a GM Old Look used as an HPO.
In this old thread, there are two photos showing a TDM-4509 as a Highway Post Office.
The bus was one of several leased to the Government by the GULF TRANSPORT COMPANY of Mobile, Alabama.
To say these photos are rare would be a gross understatement...... |
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traildriver
Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2459 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe that or something like that should be tried in western Canada, and also here in the US, to save the long thin routes across the country, that can't "make it" on passenger business alone.... |
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traildriver
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | traildriver/All:
Way, way back in 2011, our late, great friend and Highly Exalted Bus Historian Mr. Linsky started a thread entitled: "THE GM HIGHWAY POST OFFICE"; this was the first time I had ever seen a GM Old Look used as an HPO.
In this old thread, there are two photos showing a TDM-4509 as a Highway Post Office.
The bus was one of several leased to the Government by the GULF TRANSPORT COMPANY of Mobile, Alabama.
To say these photos are rare would be a gross understatement...... |
Gulf Transport, also ran scheduled bus service between St. Louis and Mobile, and a few branch lines. It was one of the very last railroad owned bus subsidiaries. (Gulf, Mobile, and Ohio...later Illinois Central Gulf). Not sure if they also had a truck line subsidiary, or not.
The other notable railroad owned bus line into the '70's, was the Bangor and Aroostook RR Highway Division. It's main route was Bangor to Fort Kent, Maine (the end of US-1). What was neat about that line, was they pooled on one trip with Greyhound, and ran a thru bus all the way into New York City.
It was always a treat to see those 'exotic' PD-4107's in The Port... |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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traildriver wrote: |
Maybe that or something like that should be tried in western Canada, and also here in the US, to save the long thin routes across the country, that can't "make it" on passenger business alone.... |
traildriver:
Exactly what I was thinking!
Just as most passenger trains, back in the day, depended on "head end" revenue (mail, etc) to "cut the mustard", so to speak, carrying mail on bus routes that are finding it difficult to exist on just passenger business alone does indeed make sense.
I think it does deserve deserve at least some contemplation by the "Powers That Be".....
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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traildriver wrote: | NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | traildriver/All:
Way, way back in 2011, our late, great friend and Highly Exalted Bus Historian Mr. Linsky started a thread entitled: "THE GM HIGHWAY POST OFFICE"; this was the first time I had ever seen a GM Old Look used as an HPO.
In this old thread, there are two photos showing a TDM-4509 as a Highway Post Office.
The bus was one of several leased to the Government by the GULF TRANSPORT COMPANY of Mobile, Alabama.
To say these photos are rare would be a gross understatement...... |
Gulf Transport, also ran scheduled bus service between St. Louis and Mobile, and a few branch lines. It was one of the very last railroad owned bus subsidiaries. (Gulf, Mobile, and Ohio...later Illinois Central Gulf). Not sure if they also had a truck line subsidiary, or not.
The other notable railroad owned bus line into the '70's, was the Bangor and Aroostook RR Highway Division. It's main route was Bangor to Fort Kent, Maine (the end of US-1). What was neat about that line, was they pooled on one trip with Greyhound, and ran a thru bus all the way into New York City.
It was always a treat to see those 'exotic' PD-4107's in The Port... |
traildriver:
Great post, as usual!
Many bus enthusiasts, especially the younger fellows who perhaps do not delve into the historical aspect of buses and bus operations as we "old timers do (!!) would be quite surprised to learn about the once-close associations between railroads and bus companies.
Examples:
RIO GRANDE TRAILWAYS
BURLINGTON TRAILWAYS
MISSOURI PACIFIC TRAILWAYS
SANTA FE TRAILWAYS
FRISCO TRAILWAYS
UNION PACIFIC STAGES
CHICAGO NORTHWESTERN STAGES
NORTHERN PACIFIC TRANSPORT
NEW ENGLAND TRANSPORTATION CO. (New Haven RR subsidiary)
SOUTHERN KANSAS GREYHOUND LINES (SKG LINES)
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of "railroad buses".....
The Spring, 1986 issue of "BUS WORLD" ran a good photo article on this topic: "RAILROAD BUSES" (Ed Stauss)
Buses once operated by ST. LOUIS SOUTHWESTERN RR ("Cotton Belt Route"), BALTIMORE & ANNAPOLIS, and CANADIAN NATIONAL are shown here, in addition to buses that were used in train connection service (SF, NYS&W, AMTRAK)
Electric interurban lines often operated buses, such as the CHICAGO, AURORA & ELGIN and the INDIANA RAILROAD.
The BANGOOR & AROOSTOOK's Highway Division began in 1936, to supplement rail passenger service in Aroostook County, but, even in that first year, it was being planned to replace the passenger trains with buses. The last B&A passenger train ran in 1961, and was replaced by buses.
The B&A had considered that its highway service to be a public service, rather than a profit center, although for a few years it did manage to turn a small profit.
After 1969, the buses were running in the red, even though the B&A continued to develop new schedules and charter services.
Their fleet of GM buses grew to seven by 1979, but, a few years later, the bus operations were turned over to GREYHOUND.
"Cotton Belt: When the "Roarin' 20's" were in full swing, in 1928, the "Cotton Belt" ( ST. LOUIS SOUTHWESTERN RAILWAY) established the SOUTHWESTERN TRANSPORTATION COMPANY to operate a bus network in Texas, Arkansas, Illinois, and Missouri.
In 1933, The "Cotton Belt" franchise was turned over to SOUTHWESTERN GREYHOUND LINES, INC.........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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traildriver
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | traildriver wrote: | NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | traildriver/All:
Way, way back in 2011, our late, great friend and Highly Exalted Bus Historian Mr. Linsky started a thread entitled: "THE GM HIGHWAY POST OFFICE"; this was the first time I had ever seen a GM Old Look used as an HPO.
In this old thread, there are two photos showing a TDM-4509 as a Highway Post Office.
The bus was one of several leased to the Government by the GULF TRANSPORT COMPANY of Mobile, Alabama.
To say these photos are rare would be a gross understatement...... |
Gulf Transport, also ran scheduled bus service between St. Louis and Mobile, and a few branch lines. It was one of the very last railroad owned bus subsidiaries. (Gulf, Mobile, and Ohio...later Illinois Central Gulf). Not sure if they also had a truck line subsidiary, or not.
The other notable railroad owned bus line into the '70's, was the Bangor and Aroostook RR Highway Division. It's main route was Bangor to Fort Kent, Maine (the end of US-1). What was neat about that line, was they pooled on one trip with Greyhound, and ran a thru bus all the way into New York City.
It was always a treat to see those 'exotic' PD-4107's in The Port... |
traildriver:
Great post, as usual!
Many bus enthusiasts, especially the younger fellows who perhaps do not delve into the historical aspect of buses and bus operations as we "old timers do (!!) would be quite surprised to learn about the once-close associations between railroads and bus companies.
Examples:
RIO GRANDE TRAILWAYS
BURLINGTON TRAILWAYS
MISSOURI PACIFIC TRAILWAYS
SANTA FE TRAILWAYS
FRISCO TRAILWAYS
UNION PACIFIC STAGES
CHICAGO NORTHWESTERN STAGES
NORTHERN PACIFIC TRANSPORT
NEW ENGLAND TRANSPORTATION CO. (New Haven RR subsidiary)
SOUTHERN KANSAS GREYHOUND LINES (SKG LINES)
"NYO" |
Don't forget:
Pennsylvania Greyhound Lines (PRR)
Central Greyhound Lines of New York (NYC)
Northland Greyhound Lines (GN)
Overland Greyhound Lines (UP)
Interstate Transit Lines (UP and C&NW)
Reading Trailways (RDG)
Pacific Greyhound Lines (SP)
B&M Trailways (B&M)
Maine Central Trailways (MC)
Denver-Colorado Springs- Pueblo Motorway (D&RGW)
Denver-Salt Lake-Pacific Stages (D&RGW) |
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traildriver
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Nice...thanks!
One correction...when Bangor and Aroostook ended bus operations, Greyhound did not pick up any of their routes...another company did...CYR, I believe... |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:51 am Post subject: |
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traildriver:
Thanks for adding to the list!
In going through volumes of bus history, one is indeed fascinated by the close "family relationship" that so many bus companies had with the railroads, back in the day.
Buses were, in fact, quite essential to many railroads; they often worked in train connection services, or, in many areas, they replaced the passenger trains that had become a financial drain to many a railroad.
From ""SOUTHWESTERN GREYHOUND LINES" (Motor Coach Age, march/April 1991):
"........in 1929, The Railroad Commission of Texas approved the takeover of YOUNG's BUS LINE, as well as some of the routes operated by WEST TEXAS COACHES and WEST TEXAS COACHES by SOUTHLAND RED BALL MOTOR BUS COMPANY......"
".......in December, 1929, the SOUTHERN PACIFIC CO. became one-third owner of SOUTHLAND GREYHOUND....."
In this extensive and highly informative MOTOR COACH age article, you will see just how "The Cotton Belt" came into play with the buses; as i had mentioned awhile back here, several Z-250's were converted into rail buses, which operated between Pine Bluff and Texarkana (152 miles).
Those rail buses HAD to be a sight to see!
Indeed,, there was far more motor coach involment with the railroads of yesteryear that most realize.....
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Also worthy of mention:
The Jersey Central Railroad (Central Railroad Company of New Jersey) operated connecting motor coach "parlor" service that connected with its crack "BLUE COMET" train, which began operation in 1929 (Jersey City-Atlantic City)
The buses (YELLOW "Y's") made a connection with the train at Hammonton; this, incidently, replaced a train that had previously operated between Winslow Junction and Bridgeton.
The buses (painted in a special "COMET" paint scheme, were leased from PSNJ.
Large illuminated sign boxes over the windshield read:
"NEW JERSEY CENTRAL TRAIN CONNECTION"
"NYO" |
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