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The last "BUS-O-RAMA" (batwing) ad racks
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15:

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

I REPEAT:

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked

I see my memory WAS correct; AND, the GRUMMAN photos DID in fact jog my memory; I DO recall seeing them, back in the day!

Again, MANY THANKS to you, my friend, for taking the time to search for and then post these AWESOME photos! Wink

Thanks again........

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are welcome.

To clarify...

MaBSTOA had only one Flxible “new look”, number 7753, with batwings. It also had only one Grumman, number 631, with batwings.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The photo of 8863 with the missing batwing panel was probably removed due to damage. In this later photo, you can barely see the panel that was reinstalled.



Photograph taken June 30, 1975 by Doug Grotjahn; collection of Joe Testagrose at Battery Place & Washington Street.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is something interesting I found searching the web from Boston, MBTA Pullman Trackless Trolley in Cambridge with what appears to be a busorama ad panel.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

West Palm Beach CoTran had batwing buses as well.

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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B53 RICH:

It would indeed seem that your "well" NEVER runs dry; GREAT pictures, as usual! Wink

NEVER saw the one of the Boston MBTA trolley bus sporting a prehistoric "BUS-O-RAMA" label; I have seen hundreds of Boston trolley coach photos over the years and this is the first time I ever saw a photo like this.

Again, thanks again for taking the time to share these great pics...... Very Happy

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a random thought........

Given today's extensive use of hi-tech electronics/LED's/etc., in advertising, it is quite interesting to picture today's modern transit buses outfitted with electronic "BUS-O-RAMA"-type ad panels.

"Times Square On Wheels", perhaps........?? Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15 wrote:
You are welcome.

To clarify...

MaBSTOA had only one Flxible “new look”, number 7753, with batwings. It also had only one Grumman, number 631, with batwings.


Thanks for this info; so, I guess the GRUMMAN's I recall sporting "batwings" was actually the SAME bus that I saw on different occasions!

(That particular bus would have been a real head-turner if it were in the Museum collection today!)

You truly DO learn something NEW every day....... Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbush Avenue Ext., 1981.

Quite an impressive lineup.............

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2523

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few more old views.............

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2569

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2570

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2712

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few quick questions for the Experts That Be....... Wink

(1): Are there any examples of "BUS-O-RAMA" ("batwing") buses preserved today (from any city?)

(2): When the "BUS-O-RAMA" era ended in New York, were the "batwings" simply removed from the buses while the buses themselves continued in operation, or were the vehicles retired and scrapped?

(3): What city was the last to use them?

Again, greatly appreciate your input.........

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About question #2: Several of the buses (only the A/C ones) that originally came with batwings, had them removed, and quite a few were rebuilt by Blitz and were renumbered within the 5000's and 5100's and served into the '90's.

I'll leave the answers to questions #1 and 3 to the other experts out there.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
About question #2: Several of the buses (only the A/C ones) that originally came with batwings, had them removed, and quite a few were rebuilt by Blitz and were renumbered within the 5000's and 5100's and served into the '90's.

I'll leave the answers to questions #1 and 3 to the other experts out there.


W.B.:

This I did not know.....thanks! Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From:
"NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT BUSES" (Guy E. Martin):

".........the 8000 series were all air-conditioned and had billboard advertising signs above the windows, obscuring the standee windows. Buses with billboard advertising had been on the increase since the prototype bus, #3472, was retrofitted in 1964....."

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding question #1… Likewise in Miami, Florida. Once the batwings were removed, the buses continued on their merry way until either scrapped because of accidents, fires or simply retirement.

Regarding question #2… to my knowledge the only preserved bus-o-rama bus is number 8466 in the New York City Transit Museum fleet.

I’m a purist, that means that if you are going to do it, do it correctly or not at all. However, I’m very happy to see that the NYCTA did preserve this bus. There are some discrepancies between the preservation and the way it was delivered.

For example:

a) Lacks ad racks, on both sides; rear and front.
b) The anodized aluminum belt where it meets the side quarter window right before the fleet number – currently painted with an incline /triangle. As delivered this was a straight cut, no incline.
c) No batwing routing signs.
d) The “OA” or the later “M” sign was not a decal but a metal circle with the decals on it.
e) The grab handles have been removed from the overhead hand grab rails. You can see the screw holes on the grab rails.
f) These buses had hard plastic longitudinal seats. This bus has high back upholstered seats when it was put into express service.
g) Somehow the green color doesn’t seem right

For the record, the buses with batwings were:

MaBSTOA

3472 TDH-5303 I uploaded a photo of this bus in a previous post
5516-5525 TDH-5303
6701-6900 TDH-5303
8301-8780 TDH-5303

NYCTA

8001-8202 TDH-5303
8829-8878 T6H-5305A

In one of my previous posts I discussed the destination sign configuration of the batwing buses. I forgot to mention that these buses had a front destination sign; two side batwing mounted routing signs; rear windshield curb side they had a box with space for three digits. No prefix letters.

Regarding the comment by Guy E. Martin in his book… the buses with factory installed batwings… they did not obscured the standee windows since these buses DID NOT HAVE standee windows. There are other photo caption errors in his book.



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