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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undated view showing a 5th Avenue Coach MACK (#2499).......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1379

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"New Kid On The BlocK" (5th Avenue Coach #1707, when new) *

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1382

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*There is another picture showing #1707, obviously taken during the same "publicity" session, showing the same lady about to board, in the 1954 children's book, "BIG CITY TRANSPORTATION" (Urell, Jennings, Weinberg)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sidenote:

The 1954 children's book ("BIG CITY TRANSPORTAION" also has great photos showing other New York buses, as well as the subways and the 3rd Avenue El's MUDC cars (sadly, no double deckers on 5th, as they had already vanished by the time this book was published)

I was lucky to grab a copy (via eBay) at $9.95, a couple years back......I happily recommend it to the "Noo Yawk" guys here...... Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
"New Kid On The BlocK" (5th Avenue Coach #1707, when new)

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1382

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Methinks that's from that same 1946 Madison Avenue Coach-oriented bunch as 1700 that plied the (M)11 on Ninth and 50th c.1962 . . .
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
"New Kid On The BlocK" (5th Avenue Coach #1707, when new)

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1382

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)

Methinks that's from that same 1946 Madison Avenue Coach-oriented bunch as 1700 that plied the (M)11 on Ninth and 50th c.1962 . . .


W.B:

You and I are on the same wave length on this one...... Wink

According to James Greller's "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT SYSTEM BUSES & TROLLEY COACHES", the earliest square window Old Looks shown are the 1948 TH-4507's:

2000-2129

2200-2261

Earliest paired window Old Looks were the 1948 TDH-5101's:

4500-4899

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a photo showing YELLOW demonstrator #2500 in classic "5th Avenue Coach" livery; this bus is also seen in Oliver J. Ogden's book......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1378

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Here is a photo showing YELLOW demonstrator #2500 in classic "5th Avenue Coach" livery; this bus is also seen in Oliver J. Ogden's book......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1378

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Guess the year? 1946?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

N4 Jamaica wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Here is a photo showing YELLOW demonstrator #2500 in classic "5th Avenue Coach" livery; this bus is also seen in Oliver J. Ogden's book......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1378

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)


Guess the year? 1946?
Joe


Joe:

By that late date, "Old Looks"-type buses were being built by GM, which had bought out YELLOW (I'm guessing photo was taken earlier than 1946, being bus was a demo, unless it was still on the roster at the time)

The photo in Greller's book shows #2500 operating on Route #15, laying over at Madison Square.

The earliest GM Old Looks purchased by 5th Avenue coach (according to Guy E. Martin's "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT BUSES" were 43 TDH-4506's, which were purchased in 1945, to enable "open topper" retirement.........

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All:

Ties to 5th Avenue Coach were quite evident in the 55 NY Omnibus YELLOW TD-4502's, which were ordered in 1941.

The "GO THE MOTOR COACH WAY" legend, so long associated with 5Th Avenue Coach was emblazoned across the dash.

These buses were numbered 800-854; these buses were later supplemented by an additional 4505's, in 4 lots, lowest number #855, highest numbered 916

Those buses not in sequences were diverted to other ODT properties......

(source: "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT BUSES", Guy E. Martin)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me add the following to the above comments...

If you are referring to page 4 of Greller's book, #2500 is not laying over at Madison Square nor in route 15 service but in Brooklyn as a demo for the Board of Transportation (this resulted in the purchase of the TDH-5101s). The year might have been late 1947 early 1948 after #2500 was rebuilt and had a GM instead of a Yellow Coach emblem.

Guy Martin is correct in that the earliest square window Old Looks ordered by Fifth Avenue were the TDH-4506s. However, #2500 arrived as a demo for Fifth Avenue in 1940.

Actually the earliest square window Old Look owned by the Board of Transportation shown in Greller's book was the TD-4506 (page 1) inherited by the Board of Transportation from Eastside Omnibus and Comprehensive Omnibus not the TDH-4507s.

Besides #2500 in 1939-40, the earliest square window Old Look buses that ran on the streets of Manhattan or for that matter metropolitan New York were the TD-4502s purchased by New York City Omnibus (55 total, 1941) and Surface Transportation (50 total, 1940-41)

The NYCO TD-4502s were followed by 97 TD-4505s and operated by Eighth Avenue Coach.

Neither the TD-4502s nor the TD-4505s were taken over by MaBSTOA.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15:

My error entirely; the photo I was SUPPOSED to be recalling was on page #99 in Ogden's book on 5th Avenue Coach; a "Queen Mary" is parked just behind #2500.

And, as usual, I greatly appreciate your input and historical data that you share here.

Another interesting photo is on page 84 in Guy E. Martin's book; this shows TD-4506 #4013, with ST lettering, but with 5th Avenue Coach's "GO THE MOTOR COACH WAY" above the windows.

The caption states that this is how the bus would have appeared when it went to MABSTOA in 1963; the bus would later be renumbered #1153 as a MABSTOA coach.

When 5th Avenue Coach owned it, it was numbered #2222......

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some MABSTOA Old Looks.......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?787

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?788

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?791

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?792

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?796

*It is interesting to note, that, except in one photo, the buses have no roller curtains.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Undated view showing a 5th Avenue Coach MACK (#2499).......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1379

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)


Picture taken at 48th Street and Queens Blvd/Roosevelt Ave E/B
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hart Bus wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Undated view showing a 5th Avenue Coach MACK (#2499).......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1379

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)


Picture taken at 48th Street and Queens Blvd/Roosevelt Ave E/B


Hart Bus:

Appreciate the photo location...... Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYO - It was an easy ID. I grew up on 43rd St and Queens Blvd and walked past that spot numerous times.
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