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BART: The "Key" Reincarnated
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NWP combine #356 was one of three still in regular service at the end of electric commuter service in 1941 (all were built by ST. LOUIS)

These combos were unique in that they were the only wooden NWP electrics to have enclosed ends................

http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/odds/ca/htm/nwp05.htm


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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit more on NWP trivia:

"......the longest high voltage electric transmission line in the word carried hydroelectric power to the NWP's huge powerhouse at Alto........the alternating current signal and track circuit, essential to subway operations, was pioneered on the North Shore (NWP)........"

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does NWP stand for? Thanks. Joe
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

N4 Jamaica wrote:
What does NWP stand for? Thanks. Joe


Joe:

"NORTHWESTERN PACIFIC" <G>

Ferryboat/electric commuter train service (as noted here earlier) ended in 1941;mainline NWP passenger trains (with bus connections) lasted a while longer.

SP "branch line" tonnage, however, continued into more recent times, over trackage that had once carried the electric trains....

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until 1939, the SP's "Red Electrics" and the Key System's MU's connected with commuter ferries at their respective pier terminals; in that same year, trains of both companies began operating via the Bay Bridge's lower level, to the new Transbay Terminal.

Until the NWP's total electric commuter service abandonment in 1941, double-ended passenger ferries* also operated out of Sausalito.

Like their New York Harbor counterparts, these huge vessels could load and unload passengers from both the upper and lower decks; however, unlike the New York ferries, the upper level loading aprons at terminals met the boat's upper decks from opposite sides (port and starboard) instead of the aprons lowering to the upper deck in the more traditional New York manner.

At the SP's OAKLAND MOLE terminal, as an example, the lower apron off the bow led main line passengers into the mainline portion in the terminal, whereas the upper (and lower) aprons on both sides led to the "Red Electric" commuter trains.

Sadly, no vestiges remain of these unique upper level gangways/loading aprons at the historic Ferry Building today, having vanished decades ago.............

Here are two interesting links, with much data and historic photos.......

http://www.cable-car-guy.com/ferry/html/yesterday.html

http://www.cable-car-guy.com/ferry/html/preserved.html

(courtesy: cable car guy.com)

*The "EUREKA" is the last surviving NWP boat, and is on exhibit today, and open to tourists. When the NWP abandoned electric commuter service in 1941, she went over to the SP, where she operated well into the 1950's.

She was also the last "walking beam" engine ferryboat to operate on the Bay.


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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the "EUREKA", later in her illustrious career, when she was working on the SP crossing to Oakland Mole, where she connected to the mainline trains ("Red Electric" suburban service to Oakland Mole ended in 1939)

You can indeed see the similarities to the classic New York Harbor ferries that were then in operation......

http://www.cable-car-guy.com/ferry/images/eureka_john_schmale.jpg

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nostalgic Transbay Terminal memories........

http://transbaycenter.org/project/terminal-history/memories-of-the-transbay-terminal
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