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How to "fan" today's NYC subway ?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Above ground, there is much to see from the side windows, a fascinating landscape of our city, especially if you know churches and other tall buildings. I enjoy the views from the J train, all the way from Richmond Hill across the Williamsburg Bridge. To the south, you can see the control tower at JFK. Certain schools stand out. In The Bronx, the #6 gives views of the rivers flowing into the East River. In Brooklyn, even though cables now intrude on the view from Smith-9th, it is still worthwhile. Further down the F, at Kings Highway I once photographed the new World Trade Center at sunset.
2) Underground, the railfan window is still available on the long-distance C train from 168th Street, Washington Heights, to Euclid Avenue at the Brooklyn City Line. You can still observe the signals through the tube under the East River. You can still try to guess the track layout south of West 4th Street.
3) Part of the experience is getting off the train, going to the street, and walking a few stations. I would gladly do it answer except from Saratoga to New Lots.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

N4:

You are quite right; elevated runs are always most interesting; a colorful kaliedescope of the vast, intertwining cityscape!

I have not been out to Broadway Junction in close to twenty years; I can remember not only viewing the sinewy complex through the railfan widow, but also, the long-disused lower-level trackage that was once used by Fulton St. trains (I know that trackage was torn out some years back)

Ever since I was a kid, I always loved watching the light bulbs in the tunnel dart by, looking out the side windows (I guess they are not incandescent anymore, but I guess a bulb is a bulb!)

I also used to enjoy briding a "Brightliner" on the "C" out to Hoyt-Schemerhorn and glimpsing the action inside the tower; every so often, I might see an OOS train laying up on Track A-1 (one of the tracks leading into the NYCTM (Court St.)

The last time I rode the Canarsie line end-to-end was back in the 60's with Mom; we both were reminded of the SIRT at E.105th St., with its grade crossing and old station house.......that was waaaay back when when the Standards were still running out there!

Whatever the reason, I've still never ridden the Dyre Avenue line (and me being a long-time NYW&B buff!)

One day, I WILL do just that, as well as take a little jaunt on the Second Avenue "stubway"

At least, unlike the "Westchester", the subway is still up and running! Wink

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver wrote:
With a minimum of care, I believe those R-32's could easily last a century...
but it looks like they may be gone in a few more years, due to new purchases, so the "Q"'s will probably retain their record in service...


traildriver:

I sure hope that the NYCTM gets at least two "Brightliners" to keep in operating condition (and PLEASE rebuild the end bulkheads and re-install the original style roller signs....and PLEASE re-install the standee straps!) Very Happy

Maybe one would go up to Shore Line.

Those historic minded-guys like us would sure love to see a restored two-car "Brightliner" set, complete with BLUE doors........aaaahh, perchance to dream........ Rolling Eyes

"NYO"

Agreed, NYO!

I managed to "save" one of those stainless steel standee straps ( say that three times fast Smile ), when the Transit Museum was selling them and other surplus hardware off.... Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

I also have a "Brightliner" strap, as well as a set of red/green "LOCAL"/"EXP" signs (these were from an R-15) ; the strap I bought at the Museum Store ages ago, while the glass signs came from an old co-worker of mine, whose uncle had worked for the "Tee-Yay", back in the day!

It STILL seems odd as all heck, New York having a subway fleet that is TOTALLY strap-free! The time-honored term "straphanger" now seems so redundant!

So far as subway equipment goes, I believe that the only cars ever delivered without straps (prewar and early postwar) were the "D"-type Triplex units, the BMT "Multi's" and the R-12/14/15's; in later years, I know these cars has miniscule grab-handles installed ("pseudo-straps"!l); these I recall quite well during the early years of my commuting.

Just recalling now that, while some Standards had straps, others had only overhead poles.

Ironically, the BMT "Multi's had the distinction of being the first production-model subway cars NOT to have the traditional "railfan window", as a result of these cars being the first utilizing the now-standard full-width cab.........

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Function at the (Broadway) Junction".................... Wink

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?101409

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?87093

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?6484

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?69142

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1513

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Function At The (Broadway) Junction, Take #2....... Wink

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?139174

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?118803

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?107338

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?35654

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?69429

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The legendary R-10's (aka the "Sherman/Patton Tanks") were always tops on my list; as a kid, I can recall riding them with Mom on the "A"; man, oh man, could those old monsters shake, rattle, roll, and ROAR!!!! Shocked

During my first decade of commuting, I often rode them on the "CC" (later "C"), and, a couple of times, on the "A"; I was QUITE happy to see them spiffed up in dark green with silver roofs in the mid-80's........QUITE an improvement over all that horrible graffiti!!

These classic cars also had the distinction o being the very last pre-1950 cars in service (by the time the R-10's were retired in 1989, the IRT R-12/14/15's had already been gone several years.

Even if you rode an R-10 only once, it was an experience you'd not soon forget! Wink

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recalling the "Tanks"........... Wink

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24550

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?47698

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?115597

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver:


It STILL seems odd as all heck, New York having a subway fleet that is TOTALLY strap-free! The time-honored term "straphanger" now seems so redundant!
.....

"NYO"


Well if it's any consolation, you can still get your "fix" for straphanging on the MTA Orion hybrid buses....they have 'em... Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver:


It STILL seems odd as all heck, New York having a subway fleet that is TOTALLY strap-free! The time-honored term "straphanger" now seems so redundant!
.....

"NYO"


Well if it's any consolation, you can still get your "fix" for straphanging on the MTA Orion hybrid buses....they have 'em... Smile


traildriver:

NJT's NABI's also has them....they remind me of those once so commonplace in El cars!

I have ALSO seen old few old photos depicting the interiors of the BMT's "C" units, last used on the FULTON El; it appears that some units had only overhead bars, while some had leather straps.

In a sense the "C" units were the first "open gangway" (of sorts) cars (non-articulated) to ride the New York rails; when the new open gangway cars (R-211) arrive at some later date, they will, in a sense, be the "C" units great-grandchildren! Wink

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"GANGWAY!!" Shocked Shocked Very Happy Very Happy

https://ny.curbed.com/2017/4/25/15424494/mta-new-subway-cars-open-gangway



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sinewy, ungainly, noisy, but today, oh-so-charming......the old BMT "C" type El cars (these cars were rebuilt from open gate equipment); they were all retired in 1956, and were sadly all scrapped not long afterwards......too bad at least one unit could not have been saved.......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?7980

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?78227

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?75588

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?77459

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?75586
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver:


It STILL seems odd as all heck, New York having a subway fleet that is TOTALLY strap-free! The time-honored term "straphanger" now seems so redundant!
.....

"NYO"


Well if it's any consolation, you can still get your "fix" for straphanging on the MTA Orion hybrid buses....they have 'em... Smile


traildriver:

NJT's NABI's also has them....they remind me of those once so commonplace in El cars!

I have ALSO seen old few old photos depicting the interiors of the BMT's "C" units, last used on the FULTON El; it appears that some units had only overhead bars, while some had leather straps.

In a sense the "C" units were the first "open gangway" (of sorts) cars (non-articulated) to ride the New York rails; when the new open gangway cars (R-211) arrive at some later date, they will, in a sense, be the "C" units great-grandchildren! Wink

"NYO"


I rode over to Hoboken this morning on the NJT 119 route, (operated by Academy), and it was a NABI...I took notice of the straps, and they were literally leather straps, not the stainless like the Orion's have...
They reminded me of the leather straps on the BMT 'Q' cars...

I will admit to riding on the last run of those cars on the Myrtle Avenue Local...the "fans" were exuberantly yanking those straps off, rignt under the watch of TA officials and police officer's, who just rolled their eyes, and shook there heads in amazement....
Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

With very few exceptions, leather hand straps were "de riguer" in all El cars, whether operated by the INTERBOROUGH or the BRT/BMT.

The very earliest INTERBOROUGH subway cars also had leather straps, but, again using old photos as a reference guide, it seems that metal straps came in with the deck roof Hi-V IRT cars of 1907/1908.

Curiously, modern-style bars replaced straps in the experimental BMT cars ("GREEN HORNET"/"BLUEBIRD"/"ZEPHYR"); also, the articulated BMT "Multi-Section" units (1936)

As I had mentioned here earlier, I have seen photos of the interiors of the Standards, and they show that some cars had metal straps, while others had overhead bars.

I remember riding on both types as a young lad, many eons ago.......aaahhh, what great memories.....

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to ride the bus and subway to high school in the early '60's, and the school was near Downtown Brooklyn, so I had a choice between almost every subway line to sample for variety... Smile
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