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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a reminder: As the trackless service was nearing its end, some fans chartered a coach and photographed strange roller signs in odd locations. Don't be fooled by those fan-trip photos. nycsubway.org is a fantastic site, but it should allow some dialog at each photo so that corrections or other observations could be made.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to all for those wonderful links...

I lived in Williamsburg, within a few blocks from the Bridge Plaza, and recall riding those coaches in my very early youth. I remember in particular one incident, where the coach tried to swing around a parked truck...the operator went a little too far, and the poles came off the wires...the operator and the passenger's were not very happy...
I don't recall if and how we continued...could the coach move a short distance on its small batteries? Or did it need a 'push' to reach the wires again?

I didn't see any rear pictures in the above links, but recall those coaches as having almost "rifle-slot", very narrow from top to bottom rear windows, because of the pole equipment... I too recall those florescent lights....they seemed to have a pink tint to them in the daylight, but were brilliant white at night. I remember also the somewhat jerky acceleration, similar to streetcars...they had a lot more torque than diesel coaches of the time...the relative quietness of the trolleys seemed to further exaggerate the difference...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

N4 Jamaica wrote:
Just a reminder: As the trackless service was nearing its end, some fans chartered a coach and photographed strange roller signs in odd locations. Don't be fooled by those fan-trip photos. nycsubway.org is a fantastic site, but it should allow some dialog at each photo so that corrections or other observations could be made.


Joe:

You brought up a very valid point; I now recall reading about this quite awhile ago somewhere.

Such photos can easily (and unintentionally) mislead a modern-day enthusiast who is not familiar with Brooklyn's trolley bus operations; on a related note, I have seen a number of photos taken during the waning years of Baltimore's streetcars (early 1960's) where "customized" roll signs were used, most notably one reading "EXPRESS".

For this reason, I find the information provided by those who actually were around back then, who can provide us today with factual and correct info regarding such issues most valuable......

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver wrote:
Thanks to all for those wonderful links...

I lived in Williamsburg, within a few blocks from the Bridge Plaza, and recall riding those coaches in my very early youth. I remember in particular one incident, where the coach tried to swing around a parked truck...the operator went a little too far, and the poles came off the wires...the operator and the passenger's were not very happy...
I don't recall if and how we continued...could the coach move a short distance on its small batteries? Or did it need a 'push' to reach the wires again?

I didn't see any rear pictures in the above links, but recall those coaches as having almost "rifle-slot", very narrow from top to bottom rear windows, because of the pole equipment... I too recall those florescent lights....they seemed to have a pink tint to them in the daylight, but were brilliant white at night. I remember also the somewhat jerky acceleration, similar to streetcars...they had a lot more torque than diesel coaches of the time...the relative quietness of the trolleys seemed to further exaggerate the difference...


traildriver:

The dual-powered ASV's that were operated by PSNJ from 1935 until 1947 had the advantage over a conventional trolley bus as their dual power enabled them to run off wire in any given situation, be it a power failure or traffic obstruction.

Certainly the ASV, not needing rails, was more flexible operation-wise than a streetcar; however, their poles could swing no more than 12 feet to either side of the wires.

From what I have read on PS ASV operations, going through switches at junctions where several lines might be branching off could INDEED be QUITE interesting, especially during rush hours! (the junction of the #'s 11 and 49 ASV lines at the CRRNJ Arch at Broad St. (Elizabeth) was particularly the bane of PS ASV drivers during rush hours)

Oh, well....EVERY mode of transport (like anything else we encounter in our daily lives) has its positives and negatives (like trackless overhead!) Rolling Eyes

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

From 1954, here is a rear view of trolleybus #3198.......

"NYO"

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4013

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trolleybus #3074 on a 1960 fan trip.......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3118

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fan trips.......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?292

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?294

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3119

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3120

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3123

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two more long-ago fan trip photos.....

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3121

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3122

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Layover......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?304

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A TIGHT squeeze, indeed.....

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4014

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver:

From 1954, here is a rear view of trolleybus #3198.......

"NYO"

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4013

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)


Thanks! That's what I remember....again, I wonder why most transport photo's seem to be the classic "roster", front, three-quarter view...very rare to see a rear end shot, or good interior view...
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Trolleybus #3074 on a 1960 fan trip.......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3118

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)


It would have been great if they ever did extend that 58 route all the way to Main St., Flushing, like the current bus route goes...would love to have seen them looping thru there, at least until the end of service in 1960....
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver wrote:
Thanks to all for those wonderful links...

I lived in Williamsburg, within a few blocks from the Bridge Plaza, and recall riding those coaches in my very early youth. I remember in particular one incident, where the coach tried to swing around a parked truck...the operator went a little too far, and the poles came off the wires...the operator and the passenger's were not very happy...
I don't recall if and how we continued...could the coach move a short distance on its small batteries? Or did it need a 'push' to reach the wires again?

I didn't see any rear pictures in the above links, but recall those coaches as having almost "rifle-slot", very narrow from top to bottom rear windows, because of the pole equipment... I too recall those florescent lights....they seemed to have a pink tint to them in the daylight, but were brilliant white at night. I remember also the somewhat jerky acceleration, similar to streetcars...they had a lot more torque than diesel coaches of the time...the relative quietness of the trolleys seemed to further exaggerate the difference...


traildriver:

The dual-powered ASV's that were operated by PSNJ from 1935 until 1947 had the advantage over a conventional trolley bus as their dual power enabled them to run off wire in any given situation, be it a power failure or traffic obstruction.

Certainly the ASV, not needing rails, was more flexible operation-wise than a streetcar; however, their poles could swing no more than 12 feet to either side of the wires.

From what I have read on PS ASV operations, going through switches at junctions where several lines might be branching off could INDEED be QUITE interesting, especially during rush hours! (the junction of the #'s 11 and 49 ASV lines at the CRRNJ Arch at Broad St. (Elizabeth) was particularly the bane of PS ASV drivers during rush hours)

Oh, well....EVERY mode of transport (like anything else we encounter in our daily lives) has its positives and negatives (like trackless overhead!) Rolling Eyes

"NYO"


If you liked the PS ASV's, then the closest thing to them today are these...
http://www.subwaynut.com/mbta/silver_line/silver_line_way/index.php

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver:

From 1954, here is a rear view of trolleybus #3198.......

"NYO"

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4013

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)


Thanks! That's what I remember....again, I wonder why most transport photo's seem to be the classic "roster", front, three-quarter view...very rare to see a rear end shot, or good interior view...


traildriver:

You are most welcome! Very Happy

I totally agree; rear views of vintage buses are fairly rare, except in photos that depict a street scene.

I never can get enough interior shots.....I also love looking at the vintage car cards over the seats to see how many I remember; now THAT makes me feel OLD!! Confused

"NYO"
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traildriver:

Thanks for the SILVER LINE link; yes, I am familiar with these modern-day ASV's, direct descendents of PSNJ's innovative dual-powered coaches of the 1930's (I last visited Boston in 1997, so I still have not gotten to ride the SL as of yet, but sure hope to one day!) Wink

Whenever I see NJT's NEOPLAN artics slithering by on the #159 when running my daily errands, I always imagine they are sprouting trolley poles.......aahhhh, wishful thinking..... Rolling Eyes

"NYO"


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