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R62CNG · Banned Joined: 14 Feb 2014 Posts: 186

What the question says, does anyone think they'll save an Orion V CNG and perhaps donate it to MTA's museum fleet? I mean, the Vs have been running on LI since the late 80s and early 90s. Hell, MTA's REAL first Orion Vs were Long Island bus's #579-599, not #101-316. At least the MTA would finally get a CNG V in their Museum since they scrapped all their NYCT units a few years ago and I doubt they are going to save any of the remaining Bus Company units.

GBL Rebel · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject:

The only reason for NICE to keep an Orion V would be for Nassau not MTA. Buses that were at Eastchester were towed back to Nassau when LIB ceased and NICE began. Fact of the matter is Nassau owns the LIB/NICE buses, not MTA.

Now I have heard of a MSBA Fishbowl kicking around so you never real know.

R62CNG · Banned Joined: 14 Feb 2014 Posts: 186

That's dumb. MTA paid, speced, and maintain these buses, while Nassau didn't want to do anything, so I think the MTA should of gain full ownership of EVERYTHING.

GBL Rebel · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:33 am Post subject:

If MTA actually paid the entire purchase price of the bus, they would be running in either the Bronx or Brooklyn as we speak. MTA paid a fraction of the actual cost at best.
As far as specs, NICE will be in charge of that for the next order. Maintaining, well that's part of running the service.

S-60 To Smith Haven Mall · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:00 am Post subject:

R62CNG · Banned Joined: 14 Feb 2014 Posts: 186

But the MTA saved a CNG powered RTS, so why can't NICE do the same?

GBL Rebel · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:34 pm Post subject:

And that Command Bus Company TMC RTS CNG #4904 from what I understand can not run anymore. Tanks are around $8000.00 each from what I've heard, times however many are up there. Plus the rest of the parts required and labor hours. You wind up with a static display that has to be towed anywhere you want to use it.

A Orion V diesel with a CNG tank cover installed would be practical as far as being able to run. Unfortunately, when NYCT got there way with Regional Bus, the remaining diesels were first to go.

S-60 To Smith Haven Mall · Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:27 pm Post subject:

GBL Rebel · Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:49 pm Post subject:

R62CNG · Banned Joined: 14 Feb 2014 Posts: 186

GBL Rebel · Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:09 am Post subject:

Sorry, I am not here for finance lessons. Google "Nassau Interim Finance Authority", and read a few different articles. That should answer any questions why Nassau County does not hand over money willingly for the NICE bus system.

Hart Bus · Age: 74 Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 1150

CNG: You are mixing up the residents of Nassau County and its morally broken, patronage riddled and fiscally ignorant county government. The Republicans who have been in power for most years since the 1950's, don't want to raise tazes for fear of not getting re-elected.

If you don't raise your prices (taxes) and inflation keeps rising you can't pay your bills. You then go out and borrow the money using bonds. When the bond rating agencies lower your ratings because of your fiscal policis, the rate on the bonds go up because of the greater risk of default the lender. Means more in interest to pay on borrowed funds.

In order to try and alleviate the problems you have to cut expenses, except their cronies in do nothing jobs, as well as raise taxes. When Tom Suozzi, a Democrat, and a CPA did it ,he was vilified by the Republicans screamed bloody murder. It seems that Mangano is wedded to the " Don't raise taxes" mantra first espoused by Tom Gullota.

Therefore when a subsidized agency like NICE says they have no money and Nassau County won't increase their subsidies to do anything other than try to make service, they are probably correct.

That's your politics and finance lesson for today.

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R62CNG · Banned Joined: 14 Feb 2014 Posts: 186

GBL Rebel · Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:55 am Post subject:

If MTA cares to have an old LIB Orion V for the museum fleet, when they go for scrap, MTA can bid on them.

You keep saying "But", this does not change facts. Fact- MTA spec'd the Orion V's and VII's. That's great for them because they got buses made to how they do business. Fact- MTA maintained the buses. This was part of the job MTA were to perform. Fact- MTA pulled out NYCT owned equipment when LIB was folding. Which is their right if they out right own it. Please don't ask for details, I won't give you them until after I retire. Fact- MTA wanted more money and Nassau pulled the work from them. While this was Nassau's right to decide who runs the county bus system, this did leave a hard feelings.

Nobody is looking to crush your hopes of an Orion V being saved. There is more involved then you think in this case.