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Q65A
Age: 66 Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 1768 Location: Central NJ
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:46 pm Post subject: MaBSTOA Roster (9/62) |
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I found this info on my computer this afternoon.
I don't recall where I got it, but it describes depot assignments for MaBSTOA in September 1962 (the year that agency was formed):
132 St - 4507 (25); 4509 (82); 5106 (66); 5301 (34)
Jackson Hts - 4509 (1); 5102 (1); 5104 (50)
12th St - 4510 (61)
54 St - 4507 (62); 4509 (63); 4510 (86); 5301 (5)
100 St - 4506 (57); 4507 (67); 4509 (103)
146 St - 4506 (45); 4507 (34); 4509 (110)5106 (25); 5301 (26)
Amsterdam - 5301 (25); C-45 (143); C-47 (15); C-49 (39)
2d Ave - 4506 (31); 4507 (76); 4509 (12); 5106 (40); C-45 (13); C-49 (10)
West Farms - 4507 (182); 5301 (10)
K'bridge - 4506 (80); 4507 (123); 4509 (49); 5104 (10); 5106 (30); 5301 (20)
Total buses - 1911
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Mr. Linsky BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 5071 Location: BRENTWOOD, CA. - WOODMERE, N.Y.
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Nice job Bob and very interesting information.
I wonder how only one lonely 4509 wound up in Jackson Heights?
Thanks for sharing.
Regards,
Mr. 'L'
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Q65A
Age: 66 Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 1768 Location: Central NJ
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:00 am Post subject: |
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I imagine the traffic generated by Rt. 15 warranted mainly larger buses (there is one 5102 mentioned). The 4509 perhaps did some night work.
It's interesting to see how many TD-4506's werer still on the roster. Additionally, note that 12th St. Depot had only TDH-4510's, a model not bought by either Surface or FACCO. I believe MaBSTOA was founded in April 1962, thus by Sept. 1962 NYCTA already had transferred some 4510's from Brooklyn to MaBSTOA. By that time, NYCTA already had bought and still was acquiring TDH-5301's, thus making some of the Old Looks surplus.
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2411 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Of those 4509's on the MaBSTOA roster as of September 1962, which of them would have been ex-NYCO / FACL 2969 (a.k.a. the "Ralph Kramden" bus), and in which depot would it have been? Or would it have seen service in Westchester?
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NorthShore
Age: 76 Joined: 18 Mar 2012 Posts: 113
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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The 4509 assigned to Jackson Heights depot was used for Route 16 Elmhurst Crosstown. Only one 5102 was built, always at Jackson Heights. From the roster, all 5106's and 5301's were removed from Jackson Heights by MABSTOA.
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2411 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Ah, so if the actual 2969 "Ralph Kramden" bus was part of that set of '4509's that ended up at Jackson Heights, the Elmhurst route 16 (a.k.a. Q16, later Q89) would have been where it would have played out its days.
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NorthShore
Age: 76 Joined: 18 Mar 2012 Posts: 113
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:58 am Post subject: MaBSTOA Roster(9/62) |
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After the merger of FACCO and NYCO in 1954 to form Fifth Avenue Coach Lines, that remained basically separate operations. The 4509's in Jackson Heights depot were most likely FACCO's with the elaborate paint scheme. 2969 was a Madison Ave. NYCO 4509 with the simplified green bottom/cream top livery. The only way to find out what happened to 2969 is to refer to the issues of Motor Coach Age on NYCO, FACCO, Westchester Street, and MaBSTOA
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2411 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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So the actual "Jackie Gleason Bus" could have been at 54th or 146th or 2nd Ave. depots, perhaps even 100th or 132nd (I doubt it would have been at Kingsbridge)? Given 2969's being NYCO (presumably rebranded FACL after 1956). From which depot(s) would have the (M)2 been emanated?
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MaBSTOA 15
Age: 70 Joined: 27 Feb 2013 Posts: 1058
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone have a roster for the same period of time but for NYCTA??
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2411 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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We may have a hint as to where ex-NYCO 2969 would have spent its last years if it were MABSTOA 2969, based on pics of one earlier and one later bus from the 1950 order (2947 - 3021) NYCO put in to GM:
MABSTOA (ex NYCO) 2965 on Willis Avenue Bx29
MABSTOA (ex NYCO) 2989 at Kingsbridge depot, 1966
Both of which wound up in or around The Bronx and/or upper Manhattan.
Now, which routes would have emanated from Kingsbridge, is the question; and which depot serviced Bx29?
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MaBSTOA 15
Age: 70 Joined: 27 Feb 2013 Posts: 1058
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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I found my 1965 MaBSTOA bus assignment roster. Number 2969 was assigned to the 100 Street depot.
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MaBSTOA 15
Age: 70 Joined: 27 Feb 2013 Posts: 1058
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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All the TDH-4509s that went to Westchester Street Transportation were former and originally Fifth Avenue Coach buses. None came from former New York City Omnibus/Madison Avenue Coach/8th Avenue Coach.
So the original Ralph Kramden bus was repainted into MaBSTOA colors and in 1965 was based at the 100 Street Depot as stated before.
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2411 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Meaning, in its last years (prior to being retired/scrapped between, I presume, 1967 and 1969), it held down the (M)101 and (M)101A routes . . . ?
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MaBSTOA 15
Age: 70 Joined: 27 Feb 2013 Posts: 1058
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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not Jackie Gleason's bus but just a good rear view of a TDH-4509. This is belongs to Fifth Avenue Coach.
Note the solid rubber tire truck on the left of the picture.
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MaBSTOA 15
Age: 70 Joined: 27 Feb 2013 Posts: 1058
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of Jackie Gleason...
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