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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky wrote:
Seen in 1990 at the outskirts of LaGuardia Airport in Queens is fleet# 616 - a 1979 53 passenger Canadian Built GM Coach modeled as a GMD T8H-5307A and one of six likenesses numbered 616, 618, 620, 622, 625 and 628 operating for Triboro Coach Corporation affiliate Two Borough Express, Inc. of Jackson Heights, New York.

Dubbed as Q-57's but carrying the letters 'QT' (Quick Trip), these six buses were taken out of Triboro stock and modified including custom livery for Express service between the airport and the city's new Queensbridge Hub subway connection to Manhattan from 21st. Street and 41st. Avenue in Long Island City.

Unfortunately, at the time the service opened in October of 1989, the Queenbridge subway extension met with no other rapid transit means on the Queens side and encountered far less ridership than had been expected forcing Two Borough to cease operations in May of 1991.

Another 'back when' memory shown with a beautiful photo of a beautiful bus!

Photo courtesy of 'ttcbeat' and is available at eBay as item # 191240338016.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York



What a great shot Mr. L. For a bit more on the brief story of QT, here's a pamphlet from the year after it began.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

X-Astorian wrote:
Mr. Linsky wrote:
Seen in 1990 at the outskirts of LaGuardia Airport in Queens is fleet# 616 - a 1979 53 passenger Canadian Built GM Coach modeled as a GMD T8H-5307A and one of six likenesses numbered 616, 618, 620, 622, 625 and 628 operating for Triboro Coach Corporation affiliate Two Borough Express, Inc. of Jackson Heights, New York.

Dubbed as Q-57's but carrying the letters 'QT' (Quick Trip), these six buses were taken out of Triboro stock and modified including custom livery for Express service between the airport and the city's new Queensbridge Hub subway connection to Manhattan from 21st. Street and 41st. Avenue in Long Island City.

Unfortunately, at the time the service opened in October of 1989, the Queenbridge subway extension met with no other rapid transit means on the Queens side and encountered far less ridership than had been expected forcing Two Borough to cease operations in May of 1991.

Another 'back when' memory shown with a beautiful photo of a beautiful bus!

Photo courtesy of 'ttcbeat' and is available at eBay as item # 191240338016.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York



What a great shot Mr. L. For a bit more on the brief story of QT, here's a pamphlet from the year after it began.

 photo QT-1.jpg
 photo QT-2.jpg



X-Astorian.

Thank you and thank you again for the great added information which, together with mine, pretty much tells the whole story of short lived Two Borough Express, Inc.

Many regards,

Mr. 'L'
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Below is Green Bus 447, according the to Motor Coach Age, a 1933 Mack 6-CL-3S, and the only such model on Green's roster. Although Green is the owner, the Triboro Coach Corp. is shown prominently as the operator.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

X-Astorian wrote:
Below is Green Bus 447, according the to Motor Coach Age, a 1933 Mack 6-CL-3S, and the only such model on Green's roster. Although Green is the owner, the Triboro Coach Corp. is shown prominently as the operator.

 photo Green1933Mack.jpg



X-Astorian,

I am familiar with this photo and it is one of very few in existence of what was originally numbered G447 - a bus that comes with its own story;

When Green Line was awarded one year permits for six Manhattan crosstown lines in 1933, the city demanded that the company come up with 113 brand new buses and only gave them about one week to do so because East Side Omnibus was chomping at the bit to grab the routes (which they subsequently did through political shenanigans in 1935).

Green Line's office at the time was only a few steps away from Mack's sales and service department in Long Island City and the most logical place to start a hunt for equipment and Mack saw the hand writing on the wall and was able to scrape up (by hook or crook) forty eight buses all of which were conventionals except for G447.

G447 was slated to go to Avenue B and East Broadway but when Mr. Greenberg, president of that company and a stockholder in Green, heard of their plight he quickly offered them the bus.

BTW; the balance of that 113 bus order was made up of 50 Indianas and a handful from Brockway and they did manage to make the deadline.

Seen below at Green's 92nd. Street garage on Manhattan's upper East Side in 1933 (right of frame) is the rear of G447.

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Mr. 'L'

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky wrote:
X-Astorian wrote:
Below is Green Bus 447, according the to Motor Coach Age, a 1933 Mack 6-CL-3S, and the only such model on Green's roster. Although Green is the owner, the Triboro Coach Corp. is shown prominently as the operator.



X-Astorian,

I am familiar with this photo and it is one of very few in existence of what was originally numbered G447 - a bus that comes with its own story;

When Green Line was awarded one year permits for six Manhattan crosstown lines in 1933, the city demanded that the company come up with 113 brand new buses and only gave them about one week to do so because East Side Omnibus was chomping at the bit to grab the routes (which they subsequently did through political shenanigans in 1935).

Green Line's office at the time was only a few steps away from Mack's sales and service department in Long Island City and the most logical place to start a hunt for equipment and Mack saw the hand writing on the wall and was able to scrape up (by hook or crook) forty eight buses all of which were conventionals except for G447.

G447 was slated to go to Avenue B and East Broadway but when Mr. Greenberg, president of that company and a stockholder in Green, heard of their plight he quickly offered them the bus.

BTW; the balance of that 113 bus order was made up of 50 Indianas and a handful from Brockway and they did manage to make the deadline.

Seen below at Green's 92nd. Street garage on Manhattan's upper East Side in 1933 (right of frame) is the rear of G447.

Photo owned by this writer.

Regards and thanks,

Mr. 'L'


Thanks Mr. L.
I knew that we can always rely upon you for background info. particularly for Green Lines.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting how the transit bus designs of that era had entrance and exit door installations that gave them a symmetrical "is-it-coming-or-going" look.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting how the transit bus designs of that era had entrance and exit door installations that gave them a symmetrical "is-it-coming-or-going" look.



Bob,

You can thank Frank Fageol and his brother R.B. for coming up with the unique, brilliant and phenomenally successful Model 40 Twin Coach in 1927 in which the engines (two in their design) were moved from forward of the windshield to underfloor amidships (again - in their design) which led to the concept of a bus that we are familiar with today.

The reason was simple; even as far back as the mid twenties, some states had already begun dictating maximum vehicle lengths and the Fageols realized that having the engines mounted conventionally (out front) took away from valuable seating capacity.

Mack, the only other manufacturer that had any success at all copying Twin's design, elected to place their engines next to the driver but that quickly changed to rear mount by 1936 (something that ACF and White refused to do and paid for in the long run).

I think that Fageol's idea of having the front and rear clips so similar that from a distance you didn't know whether the buses were coming or going was merely a carry over from traction cars.

As far as Green Line's Mack CL #G447 seen again below in a factory pose; the model was offered with the rear door either forward or aft of the rear axle - East Side and Comprehensive in Manhattan elected the forward design.

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Mr. 'L'

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seen sometime in the mid fifties approaching the confluence of Queens Boulevard and Roosevelt Avenue as it trundles its way to 82nd. Street and Northern Boulevard on the #15 Manhattan to Jackson Heights line is fleet # 2602 - a 1953 49 passenger White Motor Company coach modeled as a 1150-D-7 and one of five likenesses numbered 2600 to 2604 operating for the Fifth Avenue Coach Company (FACCO"

Known as black sheep in a family comprised only of GM and Mack equipment, these 23,200 lb., 39 1/2 foot long Cummins Diesel powered juggernauts spent virtually all of their short lived time with the company on the Queens route.

While they were fairly good runners, service problems with their underfloor engines and parts availability from White, who was in the throws of closing down its bus manufacturing business led to the early demise of the 1150-D-7's which were sold to Memphis in 1960.

Also of note in the image is a company Mack C-50 passing in the opposite direction on its way back to 25th. Street and Fifth Avenue on the same route.

Photo courtesy of 'Vintage-Vault75' and is available at eBay as item # 181488707217.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seen on January 12th. 1951 'supposedly' in The Bronx, New York in the aftermath of an accident in which fleet #2210 - a 1948 44 passenger GM Coach modeled as a TDH-4507 operating for the city's Board of Transportation (BOT) - was thrust into an apartment house where it sits with the second floor of the building resting precariously upon its roof.

No cause for the incursion was given and, while it is surprising that there were no injuries, #2210's front clip suffered a devastating blow.

The TDH-4507's, of which the BOT purchased 192 numbered between 2000 and 2129 and 2200 and 2261, were slated as a backbone for their newly formed Queens Bus Division and to assist in traction conversion in Brooklyn with no mention of operation in The Bronx which is why I question the location of the mishap.

Photo by Acme Telephoto and available at eBay through 'cootsimergery' at item # 400753205894.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky wrote:
Seen on January 12th. 1951 'supposedly' in The Bronx, New York in the aftermath of an accident in which fleet #2210 - a 1948 44 passenger GM Coach modeled as a TDH-4507 operating for the city's Board of Transportation (BOT) - was thrust into an apartment house where it sits with the second floor of the building resting precariously upon its roof.

No cause for the incursion was given and, while it is surprising that there were no injuries, #2210's front clip suffered a devastating blow.

The TDH-4507's, of which the BOT purchased 192 numbered between 2000 and 2129 and 2200 and 2261, were slated as a backbone for their newly formed Queens Bus Division and to assist in traction conversion in Brooklyn with no mention of operation in The Bronx which is why I question the location of the mishap.

Photo by Acme Telephoto and available at eBay through 'cootsimergery' at item # 400753205894.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York


The December 31, 1950, New York Times reported an accident the previous day on Olmstead Avenue at Chatterton Avenue involving a car and a bus running between the Bronx and Queens which must be the Q44. It crashed into a grocery store which is what the photo appears to show.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky wrote:

Known as black sheep in a family comprised only of GM and Mack equipment, these 23,200 lb., 39 1/2 foot long Cummins Diesel powered juggernauts spent virtually all of their short lived time with the company on the Queens route.


Also of note in the image is a company Mack C-50 passing in the opposite direction on its way back to 25th. Street and Fifth Avenue on the same route.

Photo courtesy of 'Vintage-Vault75' and is available at eBay as item # 181488707217.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York
I wonder what kind of mechanical symphony there must have been at that corner, with a Cummins-powered White and a C-50 with a Mack diesel...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

X-Astorian wrote:
Mr. Linsky wrote:
Seen on January 12th. 1951 'supposedly' in The Bronx, New York in the aftermath of an accident in which fleet #2210 - a 1948 44 passenger GM Coach modeled as a TDH-4507 operating for the city's Board of Transportation (BOT) - was thrust into an apartment house where it sits with the second floor of the building resting precariously upon its roof.

No cause for the incursion was given and, while it is surprising that there were no injuries, #2210's front clip suffered a devastating blow.

The TDH-4507's, of which the BOT purchased 192 numbered between 2000 and 2129 and 2200 and 2261, were slated as a backbone for their newly formed Queens Bus Division and to assist in traction conversion in Brooklyn with no mention of operation in The Bronx which is why I question the location of the mishap.

Photo by Acme Telephoto and available at eBay through 'cootsimergery' at item # 400753205894.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York


The December 31, 1950, New York Times reported an accident the previous day on Olmstead Avenue at Chatterton Avenue involving a car and a bus running between the Bronx and Queens which must be the Q44. It crashed into a grocery store which is what the photo appears to show.



X-Astorian,

I forgot about the Q-44 to The Bronx so the report is undoubtedly correct.

Thanks,

Mr. 'L'
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loved seeing that Hoffman sign attached to the lower part of the window. Presumably it was for the soda company that made the delicious Black Cherry soda. I believe that they were based in College Point, Quees.

Wonder if it is still in production? I'll try to look for it the next few times I'm in a superarket.
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Seen December 20th. 1939 on Manhattan's Lexington Avenue at the corner of 103rd. Street in the aftermath of an accident in which a bus operating for the New York City Omnibus Corporation was cut off by a taxi cab sending it careening across traffic and over a curb into the front of the landmark Greek Orthodox Church of St. George and St. Demetrios injuring both the driver and five passengers.

The bus, a brand new 40 passenger Yellow Coach modeled as a 740 and one of 80 on the company's roster, was in route on the #4 line between Lexington Avenue in lower mid town and Lenox Avenue at 146th. Street.

The model 740 was groundbreaking for Yellow in that its more sculptured body and new Diesel Hydraulic drive train were a prelude to the very successful 'Old Look' models that followed.

Photo courtesy of ‘cootsimagery’ and is available at eBay as item # 400750974575.

Mr, Linsky – Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a photo said to have been taken in June of 1947 at Manhattan's Port Authority Bus Terminal (although it would not be opened for another three years) we see fleet #400 - a 47 passenger Twin Coach modeled as a 58DW and known as a 'Super Coach' in demonstration for the City of New York Board of Transportation (BofT).

The sixty foot long 102 inch wide juggernaut, powered by two gasoline engines mounted underfloor just aft of the front axle and coupled to a hydraulic torque converter, featured a dual steering system in which whatever way the front wheels turned the trailer wheels would respond in the opposite direction giving the 58DW a turning radius similar to that of a 35 foot long bus - this was necessary due to the fact that unlike modern artics Twin's model could only bend vertically (such a steering response is seen in the image below).

#400 spent much of its time on Brooklyn routes but was eventually returned to Twin to see other demo assignments before finally being sold to the Chicago Transit Authority after rebuilding as a trolley coach.

Only fifteen other likenesses were ever coined and all went to the Omaha and Council Bluffs Street Railway Company of Omaha, Nebraska.

Photo taken by Acme Telephoto and is available on eBay through 'mmgarchives' as item # 191260987447.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York

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