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Eliminating Low Occupancy Vehicles from Manhattan
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Eliminating Low Occupancy Vehicles from Manhattan Reply with quote

One way to improve the travel environment in Manhattan might be to discourage low occupancy noncommercial vehicles from entering from either New Jersey or other boroughts. One way to do this would be at the toll bridges, assessing single occupancy autos the same tolls a five axle tractor trailer pays to enter Manhattan or some other part of the city. Add to that turning some parking lots into parks or urban farms. When I came into New York with a trucking buddy to deliver bag cabbage to Hunts Point Market, the toll for a five axle tractor trailer was $4.00 per axle, which added up to $20 each way. If coming in on the Verrezano Narrows Bridge, the toll was paid at either that bridge or the Outer Bridge Crossing. There was no toll outbound on the George Washingotn Bridge. If confronted with high bridge tolls drivers who drive into Manhattan alone could be encouraged to leave their cars at home. As the environment continues to deteriorate, further restrictions on auto use could become necessary. The increased tolls could go to funding the MTA. The gridlock Manhattan experiences everyday is tot ally unnecessary. Why not ban cars from the outside of Manhattan from entering the city in the first place? It could go a long way to cleaning up the air.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See "Congestion Pricing, Success of"
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now by doing this you are hurting quite severly other businesses such as the parking industry.

As for the air quality, it hasn't gotten any worse or better in past years and no one to date has dropped to the sidewalk for "polluted air" :Smile: The Environmentalists tried that one as well but was shot down.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quite bothersome point of all of it, too. Where do unelected bureaucrats, with (oh, so neat) ideas, get to call the shots on a
very basic right of travel?

Somehow, marketplace forces (that is, everyday transactions between individual consumers) have an efficient way of sorting it
all out. As the late Marie Antoinette of France learned, in her last lesson: It is a bad idea to force changes on the general populace...

................Vern..............
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know Vern, I know. Bothersome and tiresome all at the same time for sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think that's something, how would you like to live in a town that 'privatizes' public highways whenever they feel like it?

Now, New York does have the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade and the Saint Patrick's Day Parade which do both close main arteries to public transit but they are part of the fabric of the city, and are accepted and enjoyed by everyone.

Here in Los Angeles, we have one city within the city called West Hollywood and, while I don't live there, I travel through it often and even shop its fine stores.

Not once a year, but as many as five or six time a year the neighborhood decides to have some kind of event or parade and arbitrarily closes the county road known as Santa Monica Boulevard that is the main thoroughfare through their city.

What burns me is the fact that my taxes pay to maintain that highway and I am prohibited from using it at their whim!

Talk about heading toward socialism - this is one giant step in that direction!

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember the 2010 elections are coming Mr. L. We'll turn everything back around. There are many polls out there such as Rassmusen that say pretty much that.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentlemen:
Come to Toronto for street closures for "events".
London England tried congestion charges and didn't the Lord Mayor get turfed out in the next go round?
There needn't be a "war" between Public and Private transportation.
Public transportation should be the preferred choice in crowded urban areas provided it is efficient and reasonable in cost.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HwyHaulier wrote:
Marie Antoinette of France learned, in her last lesson: It is a bad idea to force changes on the general populace...

................Vern..............


Quite true any forced changed only makes peoples lives hell and for the most part tips the scales too much to one side putting the natural balances of everyday lives into a downward spiral.

Great quote.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that the holiday is over, I can get back to work;

In the 'Transportation - All Other Modes' department, I want to lodge a complaint concerning the latest in auto headlights.

I'm not much of a night time driver any more but my wife has been hospitalized for the last couple of weeks (she's going to be fine) and I go to visit her in the evening only about a mile or so from where we live.

Is it me and my eyes (which have been examined only recently and found to be pretty good with corrective lenses) or are the new generation of white hot pinpoint headlamps aimed at blinding everyone coming at them?

I have to admit that I drive a late model LR3 with the very same headlamp configuration and only hope I'm not blinding anyone coming at me!

Apparently, they are not as adjustable as the old incandescent systems and even in 'city' setting they are piercing.

My question is; how does whatever government authority that is charged with such things allow auto manufacturers to install such equipment which has undoubtedly already caused many night time smash-ups?

I don't know that this problem isn't more of an immediate threat to traffic safety than texting behind the wheel!

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shortlineMCI wrote:
Now by doing this you are hurting quite severly other businesses such as the parking industry.


Crying or Very sad Boo hoo Crying or Very sad. Parking is a terrible land use, and the industry wouldn't be nearly as lucrative without the present system of free (subsidized) roads. Considering nearly 70% of Manhattan households don't even own a car, it's shameful that they should be paying for people from Queens to take a shortcut through to Jersey, or to take up an extra 224 square feet of prime real estate while they're sitting in a cubicle all day.

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As for the air quality, it hasn't gotten any worse or better in past years...


Oh?

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and no one to date has dropped to the sidewalk for "polluted air" Smile The Environmentalists tried that one as well but was shot down.


According to the NYC Dept. of Health & Mental Hygiene, there were 204 deaths due to asthma in 2000. Asthma rates and air quality are directly correlated. That's not including cancer, emphysema, and other respiratory diseases.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HwyHaulier wrote:
A quite bothersome point of all of it, too. Where do unelected bureaucrats, with (oh, so neat) ideas, get to call the shots on a
very basic right of travel?


Since July 11, 1916.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky wrote:
What burns me is the fact that my taxes pay to maintain that highway and I am prohibited from using it at their whim!


You too are permitted to enjoy the parade or street festival, as are people who don't own a car, but whose taxes still pay to maintain the highways you drive on.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky wrote:
I'm not much of a night time driver any more but my wife has been hospitalized for the last couple of weeks (she's going to be fine) and I go to visit her in the evening only about a mile or so from where we live.


Good to hear!

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Is it me and my eyes (which have been examined only recently and found to be pretty good with corrective lenses) or are the new generation of white hot pinpoint headlamps aimed at blinding everyone coming at them?...My question is; how does whatever government authority that is charged with such things allow auto manufacturers to install such equipment which has undoubtedly already caused many night time smash-ups?


I agree. High-intensity discharge (HID) lights are blinding, and I think they're even worse when the vehicle is behind you. What's more, if the oncoming (or following) vehicle hits a dip in the road, the lights give the impression that you're having high beams flashed at you. OEM and some aftermarket conversion kits are legal per USDOT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 108, but many aftermarket kits are not. There is also much debate about their future.

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I have to admit that I drive a late model LR3 with the very same headlamp configuration and only hope I'm not blinding anyone coming at me!


It looks like the HSE comes with Xenon HID headlamps, but lower trim levels have regular halogen bulbs.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ripta42 wrote:
...You too are permitted to enjoy the parade or street festival, as are people who don't own a car, but whose taxes still pay to maintain the highways you drive on...


ripta42 -

This dabbles into the Byzantine world of how highway financing is done. What those "...who don't own a car..." pay is property tax collection amounts,
which finance purely local street upkeep budgets.

It is difficult to understand why people still get so excited in requirement to pay some share of upkeep and repair of local streets and roads, not parts
in a given State or Federal Route system. Cities, towns, villages, and myriad points on the maps have paid for their own local streets dating back to,
at least, the Roman System.

I've wearied of bickering over it. Amazing how a trunk lines system, subject mindless attacks. "...it doesn't pay its own way..." has plenty of revenue
to maintain the system. It also finances large amounts of projects, never originally intended for inclusion in the taxing plans. (The naive and ignorant,
"Rail Is The One True Panacea!" foolishness done at huge drains on (guess what) public money intended for the roads...

...................Vern...............
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