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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Queens Transit Historical Roster Reply with quote

Those of you who posted regularly at BTN would know that my favorite PBL was Queens Surface Corp./Queens Transit Corp. (I'm not old enough to recall when that line was known as Queens-Nassau Transit.) I've not seen any official or unofficial QTC rosters, so a few years ago I set out to build one myself. What is shown below most certainly is not the product of any scholarly research on my part (in complete contrast to the fine work done on GBL and TCC rosters and histories by the late Alan Bromberger). Rather, the following roster was cobbled together from GM Production Lists at OMOT's website, and from Bus Rosters On The Web. It does not include Steinway Transit buses. Please feel free to provide updates and corrections; long live "the orange bus"!
QUEENS TRANSIT/QUEENS SURFACE ROSTER (1951-1993)

MODEL: S/N: FLEET #: DATE BUILT:
TDH4509 1828-1857 701-730 10/51
TDH5104 0031-0050 801-820 10/52
TDH5106 0100-0119 821-840 9/54
TDH5106 0642-0656 841-855 12/55
TDH5106 1357-1361 856-860 2/58
TDH5106 1591-1593 861-863 9/58
TDH5106 1597-1598 871, 864 3/59
TDH5106 1606-1611 865-870 3/59
TDH5301 1852-1871 926-945 4/61
TDH5301 2645-2651 946-952 8/61
TDH5302 0053-0077 901-925 4-5/60
TDH5303 1093-1102 953-962 8/63
TDH5303 2255-2269 963-977 9/64
TDH5304 0048-0052 101-105 4/63
TDH5304 0085-0089 106-110 4/63
TDH5304 0487-0496 111-120 11/64
TDH5304 1626-1650 121-145 3/67
T6H5306A 0082-0091 146-155 1/69
T6H5306A 0261-0265 156-160 11/69
T6H5306A 0408-0417 161-170 7/70
T6H5306A 0665-0669 171-175 5/71
T6H5306A 0866-0885 176-195 7-8/71
T8H5308A 0021-0035 701-715 5/72
T8H5308A 0227-0256 716-745 4-5/75
T8H5308A 0419-0443 746-770 8/76
T8H5307A M001-M0025 771-795 1979
SDH5303A 0004-0008 264-268 3/70
T80604 FV823052-823070 24-42 1985
T80606 GV824623-824634 43-54 1986
T8H-603 385 1 5/79
T8H-603 177-192 1997
T8H-603 388-399 193-204 1993
T8J-604 FV823013- FV823051 205-243 1985
T8J-606 GV824640- GV824654 244-258 1986
T8J-606 GV824635- GV824639 270-274 1986
T80606 PR829398 275 1993
T80606 PR829413 276 1993
T80606 277-278 1993
T80606 PR829697-829734 279-316 1993
T80606 PR829737-829809 317-389 1993
MCI TC40102A J3024326- J3024345 900-919 1988
MCI TC40102A J3024435- J3024464 920-949 1988
MCI TC40102A J3024311- J3024315 950-954 1995
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: 'Those Fabulous Orange Buses' Reply with quote

Bob,

You don't have to make excuses for the superb work you do, and the many contributions you have made to our cause.

I'm certain the Alan Bromberger would be as proud as all the rest of us are with your 'Orange Bus' roster!

Very impressive!

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One correction - RTS's #275-389 are model T80-206. I've found a few similar errors on the OMOT production lists (I see they are now showing these QSC buses correctly).

Otherwise, your list is a great start. Queens Transit, Steinway Transit and Queens Surface unfortunately never were written up by Alan. Perhaps we can build this roster here - in particular, QSC had quite a variety of second-hand buses when they started up and I'd love to see a list of these.

Jim
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RailBus63 wrote:

Otherwise, your list is a great start. Queens Transit, Steinway Transit and Queens Surface unfortunately never were written up by Alan. Perhaps we can build this roster here - in particular, QSC had quite a variety of second-hand buses when they started up and I'd love to see a list of these.

Jim


Jim, I think its a great idea, but will take some editing. I have some pictures of the "funky" equipment plus some posts from the previous 2 BT's.

According to BT1 poster Fishbowl 474 on a 1/10/03 post

1 - 20 deck & a half (PD-4107's ?) went from NYBS to QSC. One of them was renumbered 516 another one was renumbered 519 as per a J Canronetti picture on 3/90.

2 - QSC also purchased several older Fishbowls from NYBS

3 - The poster also thinks that QSC purchased between 7 and 10 1975 & 1976 TDH5308's from Liberty Lines transit that was replacing these LIberty Transit buses with new equipment.

4 - Several a few buses from Red & Tan, Rockland

5 - Several 35 ft Flx New Looks were purchased from CDTA in Albany. I remembered that these buses were blue and white. QSC only painted the fronts in the orange and cream livery and left the rest unpainted.6 -

6 - I have a picture of an MCI-9 in an all blue livery with a QSC sticker put on the side of the bus.... Still carries a fleet # of H 893. There is a NYBS fishbowl in the background at College Point.

7 - Another MCI-9 from Grayline is in full red livery. The QSC script ID decals are attached in the front and side. Fleet # 5883 in red numbers against the silver front.

8 - A non-A/C Fishbowl #91. Appears to be a 35-footer. The area around the windows are black from front to back. To the right of this bus is a fishbowl with fleet # 1311. The "3" appears to have been altered from another number. Both buses don't appear to have NYS license plates, alhough the picture is poor.

I hope that this is a start. I have other material / memorabilia to look through to add to this topic.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:34 am    Post subject: Updates to Roster Reply with quote

Last night I went through the 3 "Metro NY Area Mega Bus Calendars" that I have. I have the 1996, 1997 & 1998 editions that were produced by Joe Saitta.

There is a bus picture for each week, plus back & front cover pictures.

The following are additions to the above list.

Queens Transit

1981 - TDH 5301 numbered 324. This was a unique fishbowl since it had Classic Style, not Fishbowl windows.

1954 - TDH 5105 numbers 877 and 878. # 877 was eventually leased to Avenue B and East Broadway. ABEB just put their name on the bus. It was still in the white and orange livery. #878 was ex-Detroit Street Railway #1280

Qyeens Surface

? year - Gruman Flxible # 416 - Ex Steinway 416.

1970 - 11CDCD-05 (typo?) #496. This was ex-CDTA 403 & ex Command 197.

1980 T8H-603 # 200 ex Greater Bridgeport # 1807

? year - T8H-603 #197 - ex Greater Bridgeport. No fleet number noted.

1970 - 111DD-D5 # 497. ex-CDTA 402, then QSC 497 then CBC 198


Steinway Transit

1960 - TDH 4507 - #401

1972 - T8H 5308 A - #357

1975 - T8H 5308 A - #360

I didn't cross reference any of the captions with omot or any other source.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that, Hart Bus!
I remember those TDH-5105's, numbered in the 880 range.
They looked like outsiders, since to my knowledge all other QTC Old Looks were 96" wide.
They also had some equipment not normally used by QTC: high mounted rear stop/turn signals (mounted just beneath the lower edge of the rear windows, instead of the red "lighted arrows" mounted in the middle of each engine compartment half-door); round front turn signals (instead of the amber "lighted arrows" normally used by QTC); full gauge complement (air pressure, speedo, oil pressure, voltmeter, water temp.; many QTC Old Looks just had the speedo, air gauge, and voltmeter); hand-operated turn signal lever mounted at the RH side of the steering column (instead of the foot-operated turn signal switches used on QTC buses); plywood interior roofing panels (QTC roof panels were hard plastic or painted metal).
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Steinway Transit Buses Reply with quote

In viewing the pictures in thw Queens Surface Section of this site, I note that there are several buses listed by RIPTA as being ex ST units.

They are 1985 GMC RTS - T8J 604

#'s 26, 29, 30,30,37,41,42

1986 GMC RTS - T8J 606

#'s 44,45,53


All buses retained their same fleet # when transferred over. Presumably the missing numbers were also given to buses.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:30 pm    Post subject: 'QTC Olio' Reply with quote

I must say that after looking at the QTC rosters and all the subsequent notes that have been posted here it would seem as though the company had a rather checkered past when it came to buying, selling and trading equipment!

Green Line, on the other hand, was quite stable from day one and up through the sixties taking on only new buses (with the exception of three ex NYCTS coaches) and keeping a very standarized fleet (quite an important factor in the maintenance end of the business).

However, it may be that the operations of the two companies were not apples to apples, and that QTC found it to their advantage to coordinate their rolling stock as they did.

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: More ST / QT info Reply with quote

=I figured that I better post this data before I forget or misplace it.

Upon a casual review of OMOT's website the following ommissions are noted.

Steinway Transit

1980 Flx (870 D') Model 40102-8-1 S/N's 092837 to 56. Fleet 410 - 429

Queens Transit

1980 Flx (870 D's) Model 40102-8-1 S/N's 092794 to 839 Fleet 800-842.

Flx Metro Model 40102 - 6T S/n's ED095848 & 9 Fleet 860 & 861.

No similar order for ST


Does anyone have a list of the AM Generals that ST ran ?
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Guy Martin's book, ST owned ten 1978 AM General 9640B-6 buses (401-410), which were retired by 1982.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's more info on those AMG's.
According to MCA (2/85), these units actually were Model 9640B-8, S/N 000431-000440, delivered April 1978.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1978 - 1982 ! Very short life span .
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:36 am    Post subject: Queens Transit Historical Roster Reply with quote

Here's a bit more about Queens Transit predecessor Queens-Nassau Transit.

Before its conversion to GM, the operation was all ACF.

20-74 ACF H-16-S
81 ACF 45-S
101-120 ACF C-44

ACF 45-S #81 was the only unit of an order for six delivered to Q-N; the other five were diverted by the Office of Defense Transportation to AB&W in the DC area.

Thanks and best regards,
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Q65A wrote:
Thanks for that, Hart Bus!
I remember those TDH-5105's, numbered in the 880 range.
They looked like outsiders, since to my knowledge all other QTC Old Looks were 96" wide.

Did all of those second-hand 5105s come from Detroit Street Railways?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what I've compiled for Queens-Nassau Transit (QN), Queens Transit (QT), Steinway Omnibus (SO), Steinway Transit (QT), and Queens Surface (QS), from this thread and other sources:

ACF
20-74 QN 1937 ACF H16S
81 QN ACF 45S
101-120 QN 1947 ACF C44
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Mack
2000-2019 SO 1939 Mack CW3G
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GM Old Looks
201-215 SO 1947 GMC TDH4507
301-305 SO 1949 GMC TDH4509
306-355 SO 1951 GMC TDH4509
701-730 QN 1951 GMC TDH4509
801-820 QN 1952 GMC TDH5104
821-840 QN 1954 GMC TDH5106
841-855 QN 1955 GMC TDH5106
856-863 QT 1958 GMC TDH5106
864-871 QT 1959 GMC TDH5106
872-879 QT 1954 GMC TDH5105 (ex-Detroit St Rys; #878 ex-DSR 1280)
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GM New Looks
3-8 ST 1980 GMDD T8H5307A
9-18 ST 1981 GMDD T8H5307A
19-23 ST 1982 GMDD T8H5307A
90-91 QS 1966 GMC TDH4519 (ex-LER/HAML 263,271; exx-RIPTA ?,6044)
101-110 QT 1963 GMC TDH5304
111-120 QT 1964 GMC TDH5304
121-145 QT 1967 GMC TDH5304
146-160 QT 1969 GMC T6H5306A
161-170 QT 1970 GMC T6H5306A
171-195 QT 1971 GMC T6H5306A
200, 204 QT 1970 GMC T6H5306A (ex-Schenck Tours 700, 705)
259-261 QT 1965 GMC SDM5302 (ex-Short Line 6529-6531)
262 ?? QT
264-268 QT 1970 GMC S8H5303A
301-315 ST 1967 GMC TDH5304
316-325 ST 1969 GMC T6H5306A
323 ST GMC T6H4523N (ex-?)
324 QT GMC TDH5301 (rebuilt; ex-?)
326-330 ST 1970 GMC T6H5306A
334 ST 1968 GMC T6H5306A (ex-Newark Police Academy 3340)
336-337 ST 1969 GMC T6H5306A (ex-?)
338-347 ST 1971 GMC T6H5306A
350 ST 1975 GMC T8H5308A (ex-?)
351-353 ST 1967 GMC TDH5304 (ex-?)
355-359 ST 1972 GMC T8H5308A (ex-?)
360-364 ST 1975 GMC T8H5308A (ex-?)
401-420 ST 1960 GMC TDH4517
501-530 ST 1961 GMC TDH5301
601-605 ST 1972 GMC T8H5308A
606-630 ST 1976 GMC T8H5308A
616,618,620,622,625,628 1979 GMDD T8H5307A (ex-Triboro Coach same #s)
701-715 QT 1972 GMC T8H5308A
716-745 QT 1975 GMC T8H5308A
746-770 QT 1976 GMC T8H5308A
771-795 QT 1979 GMDD T8H5307A
799 ?? ST
853-861 QT 1981 GMDD T8H5308A
901-925 QT 1960 GMC TDH5302
926-952 QT 1961 GMC TDH5301
953-962 QT 1963 GMC TDH5303
963-977 QT 1964 GMC TDH5303
978 ?? QT
1266 QS 1970 T6H5306A (ex-NYBS 1266)
1306-1308,1310 QS 1963 GMC TDH4519 (ex-CDTA 306-308,310) (orig #s, 1992-94)
1311 QS 1964 GMC TDH4519 (ex-CDTA 311) (orig # 1992-94)
1361-1366 QS 1975 GMC T6H5308A (ex-NYBS 1361-1366)
1374-1379 QS 1976 GMC T6H5308A (ex-NYBS 1374-1379)
1488, 1490-1492 QS 1975 GMC T8H5308A (ex-Bee-Line/Westchester St Transportation/Club Transportation 488, 490-492)
1493-1494, 1496 QS 1976 GMC T8H5308A (ex-Bee-Line/Westchester St Transportation/Club Transportation 493-494, 496)
?? ex-Liberty Lines
?? ex-Red & Tan
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GM Parlor
5xx QS (ex-NYBS, 20 units)
1127 QS 1978 GMC P8M4905A (ex-Liberty Lines 1127)
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AM General
199 QT 1973 AMGeneral 9640-6 (Demo)
401-410 ST 1978 AMGeneral 9640B-8
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Flxible New Look
83-86 QS 1976 Flx 53096-8-1 (ex-Hudson Bus Transportation 83-86)
430-478 QT 1970 Flx 111DD-D5-1 (ex-CDTA 430-431,433,435-437,440-447,451-453,457-466,468-473,475-476,478)
479-494 ST 1970 Flx 111DD-D5-1 (ex-CDTA 479-87, 490-4)
496-497 QS 1970 Flx 111DD-D5-1 (ex-CDTA 403/Command 197, CDTA 402/Command 198)
498 QS ex-?
----------------------------
Grumman 870/Flxible Metro
410-429 ST 1980 Grumman 870 40096-8-1
800-842 ST 1980 Grumman 870 40102-8-1
860-861 QT 1984 Flx 40102-6N
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GMC/TMC RTS
1 QT 1979 GMC T8H603
2 ST 1979 GMC T8H603
24-42 ST 1985 GMC T8J204
43-54 ST 1986 GMC T8J206
177-192 QS 1979 GMC T8H603 (ex-Liberty Lines 117,125,155,193,162,114,171,164,183,123,178,175,118,168,144,170)
193-204 QS 1979 GMC T8H603 (ex-GBTA 1500-11)
205-243 QT 1985 GMC T8J204
244-258 QT 1986 GMC T8J206
270-274 QT 1986 GMC T8J206
275-389 QS 1993 TMC T80206
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MCI
H577, H893 QS MCI MC-9 (ex-Hudson Transit)
V2697 QS MCI MC-9 (ex-Chenango Valley)
5881, 5883 QS MCI MC-9 (ex-Gray Line)
900-949 QS 1988 MCI TC40102A
950-954 QS 1988 MCI TC40102A (ex-Liberty Lines 3077-3081)
------------------------------
Orion
396-499 QS 1999 Orion 05.501 CNG
500-581 QS 1998 Orion 05.501 CNG
700-705 QS 1997 Orion 05.501


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