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RailBus63
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 Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow - I didn't know those older New Flyers were still around. I thought the single-door NFI suburbans replaced all of these. |
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thehartfordboy
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Location: Hartford, CT
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| RailBus63 wrote: | | Wow - I didn't know those older New Flyers were still around. I thought the single-door NFI suburbans replaced all of these. |
952, 955, 957, and the NFs in New Britain survived the 7XX typhoon. |
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Bill D
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Location: Waterbury, CT
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| RailBus63 wrote: | | I didn't see any Classics in Hartford when I visited last month - the oldest buses I spotted were the 200-series D40LF's. Maybe I missed them in Hartford, but the Classics in New Haven and Stamford were doing midday service and were easy to find. |
Any older equipment in Hartford is usually only seen during weekday rush hours. New Haven, on the other hand, seems to operate the Classics seven days a week, and it is common to spot them anywhere in their system. This past Wednesday, I observed 9638 covering an outbound J4 trip to Waterbury, and a few minutes later 9617 leaving Waterbury for New Haven. The Classics add a little variety to the equipment seen around here, and personally I prefer the older paint scheme over the boring blue of the New Flyers.
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thehartfordboy
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Location: Hartford, CT
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Bill D wrote: | | RailBus63 wrote: | | I didn't see any Classics in Hartford when I visited last month - the oldest buses I spotted were the 200-series D40LF's. Maybe I missed them in Hartford, but the Classics in New Haven and Stamford were doing midday service and were easy to find. |
Any older equipment in Hartford is usually only seen during weekday rush hours. New Haven, on the other hand, seems to operate the Classics seven days a week, and it is common to spot them anywhere in their system. This past Wednesday, I observed 9638 covering an outbound J4 trip to Waterbury, and a few minutes later 9617 leaving Waterbury for New Haven. The Classics add a little variety to the equipment seen around here, and personally I prefer the older paint scheme over the boring blue of the New Flyers.
Bill |
9638 is alive. Wow, I thought they wouldn't even try to revive it from the fire. |
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daimlerbuses
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| So out of curiosity, any update on that tender CT Transit sent out for new buses? |
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thehartfordboy
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Location: Hartford, CT
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| daimlerbuses wrote: | | So out of curiosity, any update on that tender CT Transit sent out for new buses? |
I wanna know, too. |
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Bill D
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Location: Waterbury, CT
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:32 am Post subject: |
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It appears that the delay in awarding the Connecticut bid is due to the state not yet coming up with their share of the funding for the purchase. Of course this has not stopped the politicians from bragging about the hybrid buses which will be included in this order.
The rumors have been going around about who the apparent successful bidders are. It appears that the award will be split as follows:
30 foot low floor transit buses - Gillig
35 and 40 foot low floor transit buses - New Flyer
45 foot high floor commuter coaches - MCI
60 foot articulated low floor transit buses - Nova
It appears that only 20 or so buses will be hybrid models.
It the bid is awarded as suspected, New Flyer will still be the dominate bus in Connecticut. It would be nice though to see Nova making a comeback in the fleet. The (MCI) Classic was the dominate bus in the CT Transit fleet during the 1990's, and the Nova Classic is still going strong here, especially in New Haven. At least it appears that there will be some variety. I'll update if more information comes along.
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RailBus63
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| At least the new NFI buses will be the restyled model, since the LF is no longer available for new orders. |
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daimlerbuses
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder how Orion feels about being shut out by virtually all of it's major US competitors on this bid - however they have enough on their plate as it is right now. |
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RailBus63
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| daimlerbuses wrote: | | I wonder how Orion feels about being shut out by virtually all of it's major US competitors on this bid - however they have enough on their plate as it is right now. |
The big loss was the 35 and 40-foot buses - the rest of the order is likely small potatoes by comparison. It’s not surprising that New Flyer would fight hard to keep this since they have been the state's primary bus supplier since 2001. |
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thehartfordboy
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Location: Hartford, CT
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Bill D wrote: | It appears that the delay in awarding the Connecticut bid is due to the state not yet coming up with their share of the funding for the purchase. Of course this has not stopped the politicians from bragging about the hybrid buses which will be included in this order.
The rumors have been going around about who the apparent successful bidders are. It appears that the award will be split as follows:
30 foot low floor transit buses - Gillig
35 and 40 foot low floor transit buses - New Flyer
45 foot high floor commuter coaches - MCI
60 foot articulated low floor transit buses - Nova
It appears that only 20 or so buses will be hybrid models.
It the bid is awarded as suspected, New Flyer will still be the dominate bus in Connecticut. It would be nice though to see Nova making a comeback in the fleet. The (MCI) Classic was the dominate bus in the CT Transit fleet during the 1990's, and the Nova Classic is still going strong here, especially in New Haven. At least it appears that there will be some variety. I'll update if more information comes along.
Bill |
Absolutely no fight for different buses. I would've love to see NABIs in the fleet; however, we'll see what will happen.
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Bill D
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Location: Waterbury, CT
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:34 am Post subject: |
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The Connecticut bid has been awarded to the builders as I previously mentioned. The cost and delivery breakdown is as follows:
Gillig - 30' Low Floor diesel - $352,090 - 540 day delivery
30' Low Floor hybrid - $550,090 - 540 day delivery
New Flyer - 35' Low Floor diesel XD35 - $376,349 - 507 day delivery
35' Low Floor hybrid XDE35 - $560,349 - 507 day delivery
40' Low Floor diesel XD40 - $383,036 - 365 day delivery
40' Low Floor hybrid XDE40 - $567036 - 365 day delivery
- expedited delivery
35' Low Floor diesel D35LFR - $337,682 - delivery prior
to end of Q2 / 2010
35' Low Floor diesel bus engines EPA 2007 - $28,000
The above lists a quanity of 20 vehicles. I am
assuming that these will go to New Britain.
MCI - 45' Coach D4500 - $524,263 - 270 day delivery
Nova Bus - 60' Low Floor diesel LFS - $619,021 - 357 day delivery
60' Low Floor hybrid LFS - $813,100 - 469 day delivery
Based on the above schedule, the coaches and New Britain buses should be delivered next summer, while the rest of the first year order will arrive between fall 2010 and summer 2011.
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RailBus63
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Interesting that CT Transit is going with the more expensive Excelsior model instead of the restyled version of the standard low-floor bus they have been purchasing for the past nine years. |
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thehartfordboy
Age: 31
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Location: Hartford, CT
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| Bill D wrote: | The Connecticut bid has been awarded to the builders as I previously mentioned. The cost and delivery breakdown is as follows:
Gillig - 30' Low Floor diesel - $352,090 - 540 day delivery
30' Low Floor hybrid - $550,090 - 540 day delivery
New Flyer - 35' Low Floor diesel XD35 - $376,349 - 507 day delivery
35' Low Floor hybrid XDE35 - $560,349 - 507 day delivery
40' Low Floor diesel XD40 - $383,036 - 365 day delivery
40' Low Floor hybrid XDE40 - $567036 - 365 day delivery
- expedited delivery
35' Low Floor diesel D35LFR - $337,682 - delivery prior
to end of Q2 / 2010
35' Low Floor diesel bus engines EPA 2007 - $28,000
The above lists a quanity of 20 vehicles. I am
assuming that these will go to New Britain.
MCI - 45' Coach D4500 - $524,263 - 270 day delivery
Nova Bus - 60' Low Floor diesel LFS - $619,021 - 357 day delivery
60' Low Floor hybrid LFS - $813,100 - 469 day delivery
Based on the above schedule, the coaches and New Britain buses should be delivered next summer, while the rest of the first year order will arrive between fall 2010 and summer 2011.
Bill |
Interesting that they went Xcelsior and there is variety, however little it is. Too bad that I'll be graduating high school by the time the LFSA's come in. Kinda crush my spirits. Oh well. On another note, I just made a new roster and working on a retired roster of buses. Here is the roster.
In Service
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! Year
! Make
! Model
! Size
! Powertrain
! Fleet #
! Division
! Notes
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| 1994
| New Flyer
| D40HF
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 50/ZF Ecomat
| 941-965, 9401-9428
| DATTCO: 9411; Hartford Express: 952, 955, & 957; NBT: Various units
| Mostly Retired; 941-965 are two-door commuter buses. Some are used for Hartford Express, NBT, & DATTCO lines.
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| 1995
| MCI
| D4500
| 45'
| Detroit Diesel Series 60/Allison B500R
| 95xx
| Stamford Express: 9514 & 9515
| Active; Bought secondhand to retire the last of the New Flyer D40HF in the Hartford Express fleet and to expand the overall express fleet.
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| 1996
| NovaBus
| Classic
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 50/Allison B400R
| 9601-9623, 9626-9647, & 9649
| Hartford: 9642-9647, 9649; New Haven: 9601-9623, 9638-9641; Stamford: 9626-9637
| Active
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| 1996
| NovaBus
| Classic
| 40'
| Cummins ISC/Allison B400R
| 9648
| Hartford
| Active
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| 1996
| NovaBus
| RTS
| 35'
| Detriot Diesel Series 50/Allison VR731
| A101-A135, B136-B149, & C150-C155
| NET: A series; NBT: B series; DATTCO: C series
| Mostly Active; A135 is in New Britain, B Series are all retired, and C151 is retired.
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| 1999
| El Dorado
| EZ Rider
| 30'
| Cummins ISB/Allison B300R
| 9900-9913
| Hartford Star Shuttle: 9900-9905; New Haven/Stamford: 9906-9913
| Active.
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| 2001
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 40/Allison B400R
| 101-136
| Stamford/Stamford Express: 101-131; Coastal Link/Route 7 Link: 132-136
| Active; 127-136 are two-door commuter buses. 127-131 are used for I-Bus Service, and 132-136 are used for Route 7 Link and Coastal Link Routes.
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| 2002
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 40/Allison B400R
| 201-240
| Hartford
| Active
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| 2003
| New Flyer
| DE40LF
| 40'
| Cummins ISL/Allison Ep40
| H301 & H302
| Hartford
| Active
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| 2003
| MCI
| D4500
| 45' Commuter
| Detroit Diesel Series 60/Allison B500R
| 303-309
| Hartford
| Active; All are one-door commuter buses
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| 2003
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 50/Allison B400R
| 310-371, 381-386, & 391-392
| Hartford: 310-323; Coastal Link: 324-329; New Haven: 330-371; NET: 381-386; SEAT: 391 & 392
| Active
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| 2003
| New Flyer
| D35LF
| 35'
| Detroit Diesel Series 50/Allison B400R
| 393-395
| SEAT
| Active
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| 2003
| Gillig
| Advantage
| 30'
| Cummins ISB/Allison B300R
| 396-398
| SEAT
| Active
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| 2004
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Detriot Diesel Series 50/Allison B400R
| 401-442, 451-492
| Hartford: 401-442; New Haven: 451-492
| Active
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| 2005
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Cummins ISL/Allison B400R
| 501-548, 551-552
| Hartford: 501-548; SEAT: 551-552
| Active
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| 2005
| New Flyer
| D35LF
| 35'
| Cummins ISL/Allison B400R
| 553-555
| SEAT
| Active
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| 2005
| Gillig
| Advantage
| 30'
| Cummins ISB/Allison B300R
| 556-558
| SEAT
| Active
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| 2007
| Van Hool
| NewA330FC
| 40'
| UTC PureMotion 120/ISE ThunderVolt
| 701
| Hartford Star Shuttle
| Active
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| 2007
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Cummins ISL/Allison B400R
| 711-753, 761-782
| Hartford/Hartford Express
| Active; 761-782 are one-door commuter buses.
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| 2008
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Cummins ISL/Allison B400R
| 801-802
| Hartford
| Active
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| 2008
| New Flyer
| D35LF
| 35'
| Cummins ISL/Allison B400R
| 803-805
| NBT: 803; SEAT: 804 & 805
| Active
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On Order
{| class="wikitable"
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! Year
! Make
! Model
! Size
! Powertrain
! Fleet #
! Division
! Notes
| 2010
| Van Hool
| NewA300LFC
| 40'
| UTC PureMotion/ISE
| Unknown #
| Hartford, New Haven, and Stamford
| Awaiting Delivery (4 buses)
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| 2010
| New Flyer
| D35LFR
| 35'
| Unknown Powertrain
| Unknown #
| NBT
| Delivery Due Summer of 2010
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| 2010
| MCI
| D4500
| 45'
| Cummins ISX/Allison B500R
| Unknown #
| Hartford Express, Stamford Express, and Non-CT Transit Hartford Express Contractors
| Delivery Due in 270 days from 12-1-2009
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| 2010
| NovaBus
| LFSA
| 60'
| Unknown Powertrain
| Unknown #
| Hartford, New Haven, & Stamford
| Delivery Due in 357 days from 12-1-2009
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| 2010-2011
| New Flyer
| Xcelsior
| 40'
| Unknown Powertrain
| Unknown #
| Various Divisions and/or Transit Districts
| Delivery Due in 365 days from 12-1-2009
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| 2010-2011
| New Flyer
| Xcelsior Hybrid
| 40'
| Unknown Powertrain
| Unknown #
| Various Divisions and/or Transit Districts
| Delivery Due in 365 days from 12-1-2009
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| 2011
| NovaBus
| LFSA Hybrid
| 60'
| Unknown Powertrain
| Unknown #
| Hartford, New Haven, & Stamford
| Delivery Due in 469 days from 12-1-2009
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| 2011
| New Flyer
| Xcelsior
| 35'
| Unknown Powertrain
| Unknown #
| Various Divisions and/or Transit Districts
| Delivery Due in 507 days from 12-1-2009
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| 2011
| New Flyer
| Xcelsior Hybrid
| 35'
| Unknown Powertrain
| Unknown #
| Various Divisions and/or Transit Districts
| Delivery Due in 507 days from 12-1-2009
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| 2011
| Gillig
| Advantage
| 30'
| Unknown Powertrain
| Unknown #
| Various Divisions and/or Transit Districts
| Delivery Due in 540 days from 12-1-2009
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| 2011
| Gillig
| Advantage Hybrid
| 30'
| Unknown Powertrain
| Unknown #
| Various Divisions and/or Transit Districts
| Delivery Due in 540 days from 12-1-2009
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Bill D
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Location: Waterbury, CT
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| RailBus63 wrote: | | Wow - I didn't know those older New Flyers were still around. I thought the single-door NFI suburbans replaced all of these. |
A handful of the D40HF's are being used in New Haven. While there this past week, I spotted #944 on a "B" Whalley Avenue run. I also was able to photograph #947 and #950 (which is still in the original paint scheme) at the garage.
Bill |
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