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Dieseljim
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Location: Perry, NY
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 Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:57 am Post subject: Peter Pan Rehabbing Coaches |
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| As far as I know, Peter Pan still rebuilds, remanufactutres, and rebuids buses of all kinds and chracter. |
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roymanning2000
Age: 75
Joined: 01 Aug 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Gents,
Here is a link to the Coach Builders website. Coach Builders is the Peter Pan subsidiary that does the rebuild/repair work. They did the restoration on the GM Future Liner.
http://www.coachbuilders.com/index.html
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ctrabs74
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:59 am Post subject: |
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I may be heading up to the New Haven/Stamford area in a few weeks to do some bus fanning (may take an overnight Greyhound bus from Philly to NYC, then MN to New Haven and work my way down on CT Transit NH, Coastal Link, and CT Transit Stamford between New Haven and Port Chester).
I know the 100-series New Flyers are down in Stamford along with some 9600-series Nova Classics. What buses are in New Haven and what are the specs? I ask because I saw a video clip a while ago of a New Flyer in New Haven with a Series 50/ZF powertrain (similar to SEPTA's 5713-5830 and 5851-5950 series).
Also, who supplies the buses for Coastal Link? IIRC, GBTA runs a few buses on that line, but do some of the other operators in that area (ie. Norwalk and Milford) supply buses as well?
Last question: Are there any routes in Stamford that could even justify artics? I haven't been up there in several years, and can't think of any routes that were overly packed. |
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ctrabs74
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| thehartfordboy wrote: | | Thanks alot Bill. Two things though. I don't see the returned buses being sent to Stamford compared to the 3xx series MCIs due to the door issue. Second, I am working on a roster for CT Transit buses 1990 to now, I was wondering if you can proofread and give your input. I'll PM it to you. |
Dan, I posted a CT Transit all-time roster several years ago (up to the 400-series). This may also help you out:
http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/nebuses/rosters/connDOT.html |
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RailBus63
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Joined: 16 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ctrabs74 wrote: | Also, who supplies the buses for Coastal Link? IIRC, GBTA runs a few buses on that line, but do some of the other operators in that area (ie. Norwalk and Milford) supply buses as well?
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I just busfanned the Norwalk to New Haven corridor two weeks ago - the Coastal Link route was using CT Transit 100-series and 300-series D40LF's with Coastal Link decals (the 100-series bus also had a Norwalk logo on the rear) and GBTA D40LF's without CL markings. I haven't had a chance to post any pics yet but hope to do so in the next few days. |
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Bill D
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 332
Location: Waterbury, CT
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| ctrabs74 wrote: | | I know the 100-series New Flyers are down in Stamford along with some 9600-series Nova Classics. What buses are in New Haven and what are the specs? I ask because I saw a video clip a while ago of a New Flyer in New Haven with a Series 50/ZF powertrain (similar to SEPTA's 5713-5830 and 5851-5950 series). |
New Haven operates D40LF's in the 300 and 400 series as well as the 9600 Classics. There were some of the 9400 and 900 suburban series D40HF's running there, but I'm not sure if they are still being used.
| Quote: | | Also, who supplies the buses for Coastal Link? IIRC, GBTA runs a few buses on that line, but do some of the other operators in that area (ie. Norwalk and Milford) supply buses as well? |
The Coastal Link is operated jointly by GBTA, Norwalk and Milford. There are 6 of the 300 series D40LF's assigned to the operators (I believe they are 324 - 329, but that would have to be verified as well as who operates each one). There are also some 100 series D40LF's operated by Norwalk on the route, and the transit districts use buses from their regular fleets as well.
| Quote: | | Last question: Are there any routes in Stamford that could even justify artics? I haven't been up there in several years, and can't think of any routes that were overly packed. |
My understanding was that the artics were intended for the 11 - Port Chester and 41 - Norwalk routes, which are among the busiest in Stamford's system.
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thehartfordboy
Age: 31
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Posts: 240
Location: Hartford, CT
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:14 am Post subject: |
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I finally did it. Here is the roster from 1990 to the future.
'''Fleet'''
{| class="wikitable"
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! Year
! Make
! Model
! Size
! Powertrain
! Fleet # (Division)
! Status
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| 1990
| MCI
| Classic
| 40'
| Detriot Diesel Series 92/Allison VR731
| 9001-9088 (Hartford),<br> 9091-9096 (NET),<br> 9101-9144 (New Haven)
| Retired
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| 1991
| MCI
| Classic
| 40'
| Detriot Diesel Series 92/Allison VR731
| 9145-9185 (New Haven),<br> 9201-9225 (SEAT),<br> 9231-9252 (Hartford)
| Retired
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| 1992
| MCI
| Classic
| 40'
| Detriot Diesel Series 92/Allison VR731
| 911-915 (Hartford Express), <br> 9186-9188 (New Haven),<br> 9253-9257 (Hartford)
| Retired; 911-915 are two-door commuter buses.
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| 1993
| New Flyer
| D40HF
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 92/Allison VR731
| 9301-9338 (Hartford)
| Mostly Retired; 9318 & 9319 are used for DATTCO's East St., South St., and 41(P) routes.
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| 1993
| New Flyer
| D40HF
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 50/Allison VR731?
| 9339-9340 (Hartford)
| Retired
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| 1994
| New Flyer
| D40HF
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 50/ZF
| 941-965 (Hartford Express),<br> 9401-9428(Hartford)
| Mostly Retired; 941-965 are two-door commuter buses. Some are used for NBT lines.
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| 1996
| NovaBus
| Classic
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 50/Allison B400R
| 9601-9623 (New Haven),<br> 9626-9637 (Stamford),<br> 9638-9647 (Hartford), 9649 (Hartford)
| Active; Bus #9638 is retired for fire damage.
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| 1996
| NovaBus
| Classic
| 40'
| Cummins ISC?/Allison B400R
| 9648 (Hartford)
| Active
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| 1996
| NovaBus
| RTS
| 35'
| Detriot Diesel Series 50/ Allison VR731
| A101-A135 (NET),<br> B136-B149 (New Britain NBT),<br> C150-C155 (New Britain DATTCO)
| Mostly Active; A135 is in New Britain, B Series are all retired, and C151 is retired.
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| 1999
| El Dorado
| EZ Rider
| 30'
| Cummins ISB/Allison B300R
| 9900-9905 (Hartford),<br> 9906-9913 (New Haven & Stamford)
| Active; 9900-9905 are used only for Star Shuttle Route.
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| 2001
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 40/ Allison B400R
| 101-126 (Stamford),<br> 127-136 (Stamford I-Bus Express)
| Active; 127-136 are two-door commuter buses. 127-131 are used for I-Bus Service and 132-136 are used ford Route 7 Link and Coastal Link Routes.
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| 2002
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 40/ Allison B400R
| 201-240 (Hartford)
| Active
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| 2003
| New Flyer
| DE40LF
| 40'
| Cummins ISL/ Allison Ep40
| H301-H302 (Hartford)
| Active
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| 2003
| MCI
| D4500
| 45'
| Detroit Diesel Series 60/ Allison B500R
| 303-309 (Hartford Express)
| Active; All are one-door commuter buses
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| 2003
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Detroit Diesel Series 50/ Allison B400R
| 310-323 (Hartford),<br> 324-329 (GBTA, Norwalk WHEELS, and Milford Transit District for Coastal Link),<br> 330-371 (New Haven), 381-386 (NET), 391-392 (SEAT)
| Active; Unknown status of bus #350. Bus #350 caught on fire on the O2 line.
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| 2003
| New Flyer
| D35LF
| 35'
| Detroit Diesel Series 50/ Allison B400R
| 393-395 (SEAT)
| Active
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| 2003
| Gillig
| Advantage
| 30'
| Cummins ISB/ Allison B300R?
| 396-398 (SEAT)
| Active
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| 2004
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Detriot Diesel Series 50/ Allison B400R
| 401-442 (Hartford),<br> 451-492 (New Haven)
| Active
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| 2005
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Cummins ISL/ Allison B400R
| 501-548 (Hartford),<br> 551-552 (SEAT)
| Active
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| 2005
| New Flyer
| D35LF
| 35'
| Cummins ISL/ Allison B400R
| 553-555 (SEAT)
| Active
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| 2005
| Gillig
| Advantage
| 30'
| Cummins ISB/ Allison B300R?
| 556-558 (SEAT)
| Active
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| 2007
| Van Hool
| NewA330FC
| 40'
| UTC PureMotion 120/ ISE ThunderVolt
| 701 (Hartford)
| Active; Runs only on Star Shuttle Route.
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| 2007
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Cummins ISL/ Allison B400R
| 711-753 (Hartford),<br> 761-782 (Hartford Express)
| Active; 761-782 are one-door commuter buses.
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| 2008
| New Flyer
| D40LF
| 40'
| Cummins ISL/ Allison B400R
| 801-802 (Hartford)
| Active
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| 2008
| New Flyer
| D35LF
| 35'
| Cummins ISL/ Allison B400R
| 803 (New Britain NBT), 804-805 (SEAT)
| Active
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| 2009
| Van Hool
| NewA330FC?
| 40'
| UTC PureMotion 120?/ ISE Thundervolt?
| Unknown # (Hartford, New Haven, and Stamford)
| Awaiting Delivery (4-6 buses)
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| 2010
| Unknown Manufaturer(Most likely MCI)
| Unknown Model(Most likely D4500)
| 45' Commuter
| Cummins ISM/ Allison B500R?
| Unknown # (Hartford Express, Hartford Private Express, and Stamford I-Bus Express)
| Pending Bid (33 buses, option of 17 more)
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| 2010
| Unknown Manufaturer
| Unknown Model
| 60'
| Cummins ISM?/ Allison B500R?;Cummins ISL?/ Allison Ep50?
| Unknown # (Hartford, New Haven, and Stamford)
| Pending Bid (35 buses, option of 5 more)
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| 2010
| Unknown Manufaturer
| Unknown Model
| 40'
| Cummins ISL/ Allison B400R?; Cummins ISL/ Allison Ep40?; Cummins ISB?/ Allison Ep40?
| Unknown #
| Pending Bid (14 buses, option for 19 more)
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| 2010
| Unknown Manufaturer
| Unknown Model
| 35'
| Cummins ISL/ Allison B400R?; Cummins ISL/ Allison Ep40?; Cummins ISB?/ Allison Ep40?
| Unknown #
| Pending Bid (54 buses, option for 10 more)
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| 2010
| Unknown Manufaturer
| Unknown Model
| 30'
| Cummins ISB/ Allison B330R?; Cummins ISB?/ Allison Ep40?
| Unknown #
| Pending Bid (Option for 5 buses)
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Note: It is in Wiki format. |
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thehartfordboy
Age: 31
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Posts: 240
Location: Hartford, CT
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Bill D wrote: | | thehartfordboy wrote: | Hey Bill,
I was wondering about the leased MCIs. When are they going to deploy them and when will the CT Transit takeover of Peter Pan's routes will happen?
Thanks a bunch,
Daniel Mitchell |
Hi Daniel,
From what I can make of the below report, this may not be a case of Peter Pan giving up the routes, but simply returning older state owned buses to ConnDOT, who in turn will add them to the CT Transit fleet. It appears that Dattco will be returning some coaches as well. Some of these buses have over a million miles on them, so they may be receiving a thorough overhaul before being placed in service. Some of them may be sent to Stamford for use on the I-Bus route.
Last night, I spotted D4500's #303 and 304 in Waterbury, covering the Metro North Waterbury branch bustitution service. The MCI coaches, as well as some Peter Pan coaches, are being used to cover the train service until mid August while track work is being done.
If any more information becomes available, I will pass it along.
Bill
| Bill D wrote: | From the Connecticut Public Transportation Commission minutes of June 4, 2009:
... Lastly, [ConnDOT Administrator for Transit and Ridesharing Michael] Sanders was asked about the three Peter Pan buses which appeared a few months ago at the Hartford Division garage. Sanders explained that the state purchased those buses in 1983 and 1986 for the Greater Hartford Transit District, who then leased them to private
operators to run some express service routes. These operators were allowed to use the buses for incremental charter service also. These were state-owned but privately-operated buses. Peter Pan ultimately operated some of these express routes and used the state-purchased buses. When
Peter Pan took some of the buses out of service, they were returned to Connecticut Transit. They have now been rebranded with the Connecticut Transit Express logo. Five to seven more of these buses from DATTCO are likely to show up in the coming months." |
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I seen 9514. It has Veloporters and Ct Transit Express livery. It was on the 14 line, the longest Express route, which makes sense. I also saw I-Bus 131 on of many express lines running local buses, that bus is on 39. 39-New Britain Av/46-Vine St combo run (formerly Q line)is the worst place for an express bus because of going through the most ghetto place in Hartford, the Upper Albany District. Someone made a boo-boo putting that bus on that line. On another note, H301 & H302 were r/n'ed to 301 & 302. |
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RailBus63
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| What is an I-Bus doing in Hartford? |
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thehartfordboy
Age: 31
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Posts: 240
Location: Hartford, CT
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| RailBus63 wrote: | | What is an I-Bus doing in Hartford? |
Beats me. Especially it is on the 2nd worst route, the 46 (1st is the 44 that parallels it); both are local routes(I still can't get over it). |
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RailBus63
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| It must either be a temporary shift or CT Transit is moving some of the 100-series D40LF's to Hartford and they haven't removed the I-Bus markings yet. If the second is true, I'm curious what vehicles are now running on the I-Bus. |
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thehartfordboy
Age: 31
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Posts: 240
Location: Hartford, CT
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| RailBus63 wrote: | | It must either be a temporary shift or CT Transit is moving some of the 100-series D40LF's to Hartford and they haven't removed the I-Bus markings yet. If the second is true, I'm curious what vehicles are now running on the I-Bus. |
Or Ct Transit sending the '95 MCI and Novas Classics for the 2001 NF D40LF Suburban. |
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Bill D
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Location: Waterbury, CT
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:40 am Post subject: |
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I believe that some of the 300 series MCI were going to be transfered to Stamford for use on the I-Bus. As for bus 131, it is an 8 year old vehicle, and has probably become just another bus in the Hartford fleet. If there are any remaining 900 / 9400 D40HF's around they will most likely end up in New Britain, and some of Hartford's 9600 series Classics have been sent to New Haven.
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RailBus63
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| I didn't see any Classics in Hartford when I visited last month - the oldest buses I spotted were the 200-series D40LF's. Maybe I missed them in Hartford, but the Classics in New Haven and Stamford were doing midday service and were easy to find. |
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thehartfordboy
Age: 31
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Location: Hartford, CT
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Bill D wrote: | I believe that some of the 300 series MCI were going to be transfered to Stamford for use on the I-Bus. As for bus 131, it is an 8 year old vehicle, and has probably become just another bus in the Hartford fleet. If there are any remaining 900 / 9400 D40HF's around they will most likely end up in New Britain, and some of Hartford's 9600 series Classics have been sent to New Haven.
Bill |
I forgot to mention, All the 9XX Express Nf's were in service yesterday, until 952 broke down at The Travelers on Main. |
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