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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: GBL Historical Roster Reply with quote

GBL Roster (1933-2000) Part 1
Reference: New York City’s Green Bus Lines (Alan Bromberger)
Motor Coach Age, Oct-Dec. 2000 (pages 30 & 31)


Fleet #: Builder: Model: Year Built:
Unknown (15 buses ) Brockway C 1933
Unknown (50 buses) Indiana 14-C 1933
400-419 Mack 6-BC-3S 1933
420-422 Mack 4-AB-3S 1933
423-446 Mack 6-BC-3S 1933
447 Mack 6-CL-3S 1933
475-500 Brockway Unknown 1934
501-535 Mack 6-CX-3S 1935
10-11 Mack 6-BT-3S 1932
Unknown (7 buses) Mack 6-CG-3S 1935
19-22 White 684 1935
Unknown (4 buses) Mack 6-CL-3S 1933
Unknown (3 buses) Indiana 16 1934
Unknown (1 bus) Indiana 16 1935
Unknown (1bus) Indiana 16 Unknown
601-635 Mack 6-CT-3S 1937
701-735 Mack CT-3G 1938
801-825 Mack CM-3G 1939
851-860 Mack CM-3G 1940
901-925 GM TD-4506 1946
926-950 GM TDH-4507 1947
101-130 Mack 6-CT-3S 1937
201-210 GM TD-4506 1946
301-310 GM TDH-4507 1949
311-345 GM TDH-4509 1950
351-365 GM TDH-5104 1952
101-115 GM TDH-4512 1954
151-160 GM TDH-5106 1959
GBL Roster (1933-2000) Part 2
Reference: New York City’s Green Bus Lines (Alan Bromberger)
Motor Coach Age, Oct-Dec. 2000 (pages 30 & 31)

Fleet #: Builder: Model: Year Built:
401-420 GM TDH-5301 1960
421-430 GM TDH-5301 1961
501-510 GM TDH-5301 1962
511-530 GM TDH-5303 1963
531-540 GM TDH-5303 1964
601-610 GM TDH-5303 1964
701-710 GM TDH-5303 1965
801-810 GM TDH-5303 (A/C) 1966
811-835 GM TDH-5303 (A/C) 1966
101-145 GM T6H-5305A 1968
951 GM TDH-4507 1948 (exTA)
952 GM TDH-4510 1948 (ex-TA)
953 GM TDH-5101 1948 (ex-TA)
146-160 GM T6H-5305A 1970
201-210 FLX 111CC-D5-1 1971
161-170 GM T6H-5307A 1972
211-220 FLX 111CC-D5-1 1972
171-190 GM T6H-5307A 1974
301-312 GM T6H-5307A 1976
901 GM TDH-5106 1953 (ex-JB)
902-903 GM TDH-5106 1955 (ex-JB)
904 GM TDH-5106 1953 (ex-JB)
905-906 GM TDH-5106 1958 (ex-JB)
907-913 GM TDH-5106 1955 (ex-JB)
914-918 GM TDH-5302 1960 (ex-JB)

GBL Roster (1933-2000) Part 3
Reference: New York City’s Green Bus Lines (Alan Bromberger)
Motor Coach Age, Oct-Dec. 2000 (pages 30 & 31)

Fleet #: Builder: Model: Year Built:
1001-1015 GM T8H-203 1979
350-367 GMD T8H-5307A 1979
544-589 Grumman 53102-8-1 1980
590-591 Grumman 40102-6T 1984
415-418 FLX 111DD-D5 1970 (ex-CDTA)
421-430 FLX 111DD-D5 1970 (ex-CDTA)
432, 438-439 FLX 111DD-D5 1970 (ex-CDTA)
436 GM T6H-5306A 1968 (ex-Steinway)
221-268 GM T8J-204 1985
270-292 GM T8J-204 1985
601-622 GM T8J-204 1985
701-716 MCI TC40102A 1989
623-635 GM T8J-206 1986 (ex-CBC)
636-639 GM T8J-204 1985 (ex-CBC)
640 GM T8J-206 1986 (ex-CBC)
641-647 GM T8J-204 1985 (ex-CBC)
648 GM T8J-206 1986 (ex-CBC)
1150-1189 TMC T8J-206 1994
5501-5544 Orion 05.501 1997 (built for WMATA)
649-650 GM T8J-204 1985 (ex-CBC)
651-652 GM T8J-206 1986 (ex-CBC)
653-654 GM T8J-206 1987 (ex-TCC)
655-659 GM T8J-204 1985 (ex-CBC)
717-718 MCI TC40102A 1989 (ex-TCC)
719-722 Orion 05.501 1999 (ex-NYBS)
1143-1146 GM T8J-206 1994 (ex-QSC)
1147-1149 GM T8J-206 1993 (ex-QSC)
5545-5550 Orion 05.501 1997 (ex-QSC)

GBL Buses Borrowed From Cooper Affiliates (1985-1994)
Reference: New York City’s Green Bus Lines (Alan Bromberger)
Motor Coach Age, Oct-Dec. 2000 (pages 30 & 31)



Fleet #: Builder: Model: Year Built: Owner
191, 193, 195 FLX 111DD-D5 1970 CBC
1207-1210 GM TDH-5304 1964 CBC
1215-1223 GM TDH-5304 1966 CBC
1224 GM TDH-5304 1967 CBC
1227-1228 GM SDM-5302 1966 CBC
1235 GM TDH-5304 1967 CBC
1236-1237 GM T6H-5306A 1968 CBC
1238-1240 GM T6H-5306A 1969 CBC
1291-1296 GM TDH-5303 1967 CBC
1297-1298 GM T6H-5305A 1968 CBC
911/16/18 GM TDH-5303 1964 TCC
951/53/59 GM TDH-5303 1967 TCC
970/72/73/75 GM T6H-5305A 1968 TCC
614-1 GM T6H-5307A 1974 TCC
197-1 FLX 111DD-D5 1970 CBC
216-1 GM TDH-5304 1966 CBC
226-1, 235-1 GM TDH-5304 1967 CBC
237-1 GM T6H-5306A 1968 CBC
249-1 GM T6H-5308A 1972 CBC
257-1, 258-1,
261-1, 264-1,
267-1 GM T6H-5308A 1974 CBC
298-1 GM T6H-5305A 1968 CBC
301-1 to
310-1 GM T8H-203 1979 JB
856-1 GM T6H-5305A 1968 JB
873-1, 880-1 GM T6H-5305A 1969 JB
906-1, 911-1
to 913-1 GM T6H-5305A 1970 JB
971-1 to 980-1 GM T6H-5307A 1976 JB
101/03/05/07,
111/15/22/31/
134, 135 Grumman 53102-1 1980 TCC
603-1, 604-1,
606-1 to 609-1 GM T6H-5307A 1976 TCC
614-1 GM T6H-5307A 1974 TCC
630-1 to 636-1 GM T8H-203 1979 TCC
823/25/27/28/29 FLX 111DD-D5 1970 TCC
753-1, 754-1 GM T6H-5307A 1974 TCC
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Roster of Green Bus Lines Reply with quote

Bob,

Just an addendum to the Bromberger Green Line roster;

# 951 1948 GMC TDH 4507 SER# 2245 Ex-NYCTA # 2091

# 952 1948 GMC TDH 4510 SER# 047 Ex-NYCTA # 4046

# 953 1948 GMC TDH 5101 SER# 077 Ex-NYCTA # 4576

These three coaches represent the only equipment that had been purchased used by Green Line since the early thirties.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

648 GM T8J-206 1986 (ex-CBC)
649-650 GM T8J-204 1985 (ex-CBC)

648 was GBL 609 and 649 was GBL 239. Both of these buses were lost to fires and were rebuilt and renumbered. 650 was CBC 383.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Roster of Green Bus Lines Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky wrote:
Bob,

Just an addendum to the Bromberger Green Line roster;

# 951 1948 GMC TDH 4507 SER# 2245 Ex-NYCTA # 2091

# 952 1948 GMC TDH 4510 SER# 047 Ex-NYCTA # 4046

# 953 1948 GMC TDH 5101 SER# 077 Ex-NYCTA # 4576

These three coaches represent the only equipment that had been purchased used by Green Line since the early thirties.

Mr. Linsky

"The Green Hornet" Green Bus Lines, Jamaica, New York (LA 7 2400)


I have to disagree, there were some Grummans as well that were used.
548-549 Grumman 53102-8-1 were Harris County MTA 848,911
544-547 Grumman 53102-8-1 were Harris County MTA 1040,919,881,1079
590-591 Grumman 40102-6T were Demos

I am willing to let the demos slide as used.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Roster of Green Bus Lines Reply with quote

GBL Rebel wrote:
Mr. Linsky wrote:
Bob,

Just an addendum to the Bromberger Green Line roster;

# 951 1948 GMC TDH 4507 SER# 2245 Ex-NYCTA # 2091

# 952 1948 GMC TDH 4510 SER# 047 Ex-NYCTA # 4046

# 953 1948 GMC TDH 5101 SER# 077 Ex-NYCTA # 4576

These three coaches represent the only equipment that had been purchased used by Green Line since the early thirties.

Mr. Linsky

"The Green Hornet" Green Bus Lines, Jamaica, New York (LA 7 2400)


I have to disagree, there were some Grummans as well that were used.
548-549 Grumman 53102-8-1 were Harris County MTA 848,911
544-547 Grumman 53102-8-1 were Harris County MTA 1040,919,881,1079
590-591 Grumman 40102-6T were Demos

I am willing to let the demos slide as used.



GBL Rebel,

Unfortunately, I didn't properly phrase the sentence which should have read;

"These three coaches represent the 'first' equipment that had been purchased used by Green Line since the early thirties".

Sorry about that misclarification.

Thanks for pointing it out.

Mr. Linsky

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. L,

Other then the 3 buses you pointed out and the Grummans I pointed out, there was only one other bus bought used by GBL, 436 a 1968 GM T6H-5306A. This bus came from Steinway Transit in 1985 it was ST 334. In total 10 buses over 80+ years, not counting the demo Grumman 870's. I think we can agree, a very good record for new buses considering the amount of buses owned over the years.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GBL Rebel wrote:
648 GM T8J-206 1986 (ex-CBC)
649-650 GM T8J-204 1985 (ex-CBC)

648 was GBL 609 and 649 was GBL 239. Both of these buses were lost to fires and were rebuilt and renumbered. 650 was CBC 383.


648/609 and 649/239 used to be Command? I have the Motor Coach Age 2000 Green Bus Lines article and it doesn't say that.

Also some interesting notes about 648/609: When the bus was rebuilt, the non-sliding windows it received were the ones you'd find on an RTS-01/03. It has cream-colored pillars instead of the black ones you usually find on and RTS-04/06, and someone once told me that they only expected cream-colored pillars on the GBL/Triboro/JBI RTS-03s, not the 04s or 06s. And, the interior lighting is encased in the ad racks like on the New York City Subway R38 cars.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1988 MCI TC40-102A wrote:
GBL Rebel wrote:
648 GM T8J-206 1986 (ex-CBC)
649-650 GM T8J-204 1985 (ex-CBC)

648 was GBL 609 and 649 was GBL 239. Both of these buses were lost to fires and were rebuilt and renumbered. 650 was CBC 383.


648/609 and 649/239 used to be Command? I have the Motor Coach Age 2000 Green Bus Lines article and it doesn't say that.

Also some interesting notes about 648/609: When the bus was rebuilt, the non-sliding windows it received were the ones you'd find on an RTS-01/03. It has cream-colored pillars instead of the black ones you usually find on and RTS-04/06, and someone once told me that they only expected cream-colored pillars on the GBL/Triboro/JBI RTS-03s, not the 04s or 06s. And, the interior lighting is encased in the ad racks like on the New York City Subway R38 cars.


Exactly my point, not from Command. Both 648 and 649 were rebuilt using RTS03 interior parts. Both had the ad rack lighting and the metal handrail on the back of the seat.

Now a really good question -- Does anyone know why 648 was numbered 8582 when MTAB took over??
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well 8582 is the last unit number on the MTA Bus roster before 9700, which is ex-QSC TMC RTS #294. 8581 is ex-QSC O5 CNG #581. The highest number for the ex-GBL T8J-206s (648/609 is a T8J-206) is 5879, the bus after that would've been 5880 (ex-GBL Classic sub #701, but the number 5880 was never taken because 701 was in an accident and scrapped under Green). With 701 scrapped it seems like 648 shouldve been renumbered to 5880. But then maybe GBL/JFK specifically wanted the 5880s to be all Classics so they decided to put 648 as 8582. But the closest empty spot available is 6000, no buses are numbered from 6000 to 7049.

Many many many possibilities... Mad
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GBL had no say in what the new numbers would be. Look harder its right there in front of you.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still don't know. Do you know?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: GBL Used Buses Reply with quote

There's just one thing that you all must understand about my Green Line statistics;

They end where I ended in 1961 - anything beyond that is your game, and I can't play because I was no longer there.

Interestingly though, when you attach my facts with yours, we get almost a complete picture of all of the used, traded, ex and junked buses that passed through the hands of the company over the years! - that's pretty good!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a bunch for the roster. I have just a couple of things. As another poster noted that Grumman Flxible 870 #544-549 were bought second-hand. GBL original 870s were #550-589.

Also the '79 GMD T8H-5307A were actually numbered 355-364.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waynejay wrote:
Also the '79 GMD T8H-5307A were actually numbered 355-364.


Motor Coach Age October-December 2000 by Alan Bromberger says
350-364 GMD T8H-5307A VIN#- M026-M040 Year- 1979

This is the information I'm using, if its wrong please let us all know
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1988 MCI TC40-102A wrote:
Still don't know. Do you know?


Yes I do know. Funny how 649 got renumbered even though it was cut up in 2004 by Gershow Recycling and 648 did not. Can you say "OOOOPS"!! Why did 648 become come 8582 instead of 427x, because someone forgot it when they did the renumbering packages.
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