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Catfish 44



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked those Flxibles when I was a kid. I remember 203 and 206 distinctly.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can corroborate the fact the 1979 Canadian Newlook GMC 8 cylinder buses were 355-364. Some of them were quite fast and had a unique sound. Others were probably repowered with six cylinders because they were not as fast and sounded like 6v71 engines. in the early 90s they all were painted in their own unique scheme. I recall all 10 of those buses. 356 for instance had a black top and the shades of green stripes. 362 was pretty fast and I think 358 was swift as well. 359 or 360 probably had the original paint scheme for the group. Anyway I rode the whole group in high school and can attest they ran from 355-364
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catfish,

The records of Green Bus Lines show that 15 GMD (Canada) Model T8H-5307A's numbered from 350 to 364 were delivered to the company in June of 1979.

Pictured below in its original livery is number 357 in a photo taken by Steve Zabel at 34th. Street and 3rd. Avenue in Manhattan in May of 1981.

BTW; these 300's were the last GM buses to be purchased directly by the company - all future orders came through the DOT.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky with all due respect the roster linked to the Ohio Museum of Trans says that there were 10 buses built in Canada serial numbers M031-M040 fleet numbered 355-364. By the 90s I think 357 was painted white over the fluted aluminum. I'm certain 358 was the one that still was exposed aluminum into the 90s. If I had only known the power of photos when I was in high school I could have taken scores of Green Line pics!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catfish,

It's a good thing I wasn't a shutter bug in those days either or I would have had not the hundreds of photos I do have, but thousands that I wouldn't know what to do with.

Your due respect is very duly noted concerning the number of GMD New Looks that Green Line bought.

This is a sticky one because the Ohio Museum of Transportation is seldom wrong due to the fact that their data was abstracted directly from GM production sources - but this could still be their error.

The records of the company show 350 to 364 (serial#'s M026 to M040) and correspond exactly to Alan Bromberger's all time Green Line roster in the October-December 2000 issue of Motor Coach Age entiltled 'New York City's Green Bus Lines'.

Mr. Bromberger also mentions on page 25 of the referenced MCA issue that in 1979 Green Line bought their first 15 RTS's (1001 to 1015) along with 15 New Looks (350 to 364) which were still being made in Canada.
This information is also verified within the New York State Public Service Commission's 'Revenue and Service Car Equipment on Hand' report for Green Bus Lines dated December 31st. 1982.

Two things that do strike me as odd about the Canadian order are the fact that Green Line had never before ordered a group of buses starting with zero (in other words that order would have been 351 to 365 - exactly the same way that their 1952 5104's were ordered).

Also, only once or twice in the prior history of the company had they ever ordered only ten buses (it was always 15 or 35).

However, there is one possible answer in which every body may be right and everybody may be wong!;

At the same time that the Canadian records show a purchase of the ten Green Line New Looks, it also shows five (Ser#'s M026 to M030) going to Triboro Coach Corporation - a subsidiary of Green Line.

Green Bus Lines did all purchasing for itself as well as both Triboro and Jamaica and, at some point during production, may have decided to take all fifteen for themselves.

That's about all I can come up with!

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY









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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough but I would counter by saying that I never ever saw a bus numbered lower than 355 that was a '79. On another note I saw on the Ohio roster that the '76 order included 12 5307 models. The only one of them I rode in the early 90's was 311. All I have to go by was what was on the Q35. I paid attention to the 22 as well but I never rode it. Anyway I'm trying to figure out where 1974 #614-1 came from. I thought it an old Triboro bus but haven't confirmed it yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh and by the way the '79 RTS order was certainly fifteen buses. I remember each one of them as well and boy oh boy did I dislike them! Ugh! They smelled like urine and ran like something else. DOT ordered them off the road at some point but it was way to late in my opinion. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catfish 44 wrote:
Fair enough but I would counter by saying that I never ever saw a bus numbered lower than 355 that was a '79. On another note I saw on the Ohio roster that the '76 order included 12 5307 models. The only one of them I rode in the early 90's was 311. All I have to go by was what was on the Q35. I paid attention to the 22 as well but I never rode it. Anyway I'm trying to figure out where 1974 #614-1 came from. I thought it an old Triboro bus but haven't confirmed it yet.


Catfish,

The records show that # 614-1 was loaned to Green Bus Lines by Triboro Coach in 1991 and was a 1974 T6H-5307A pemanently numbered 614.

In these lending deals that went back and forth between Green, Command, Triboro and Jamaica the original owner's fleet number was retained and a 1 was added temporarily.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Linsky, was 614-1 the only one loaned at that particular time?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catfish,

In 1991 the records show that aside from 10 Flxibles numbered in the low 100's that were given over to Green Line, four additional Triboro T6H-5307's numbered 603, 604, 606 and 609 (with the added '1') were loaned in addition to seven T8H-203's (RTS's) numbered 630 to 636 and again with the added '1'.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow 10 Flxibles? Newlook Flxibles? They never rode out here in Rockaway. I never ever saw them period. The low numbered ones like 609-1 I rode to school in the morning they were 1976s. They were nice, even the 1979 RTS were nice but showed so much wear so soon it was apparent Green wasn't taking much care of them. I believe the seats were padded as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catfish 44 wrote:
Wow 10 Flxibles? Newlook Flxibles? They never rode out here in Rockaway. I never ever saw them period. The low numbered ones like 609-1 I rode to school in the morning they were 1976s. They were nice, even the 1979 RTS were nice but showed so much wear so soon it was apparent Green wasn't taking much care of them. I believe the seats were padded as well.


Check out GBL Flxible New Look pics here:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catfish,

Try this Flx. on for size still at the factory!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys I remember those well but in 1991 I do not remember 10 Flxibles being transferred to Green with low 100 numbers. At least two of the '68s were still running at that time, 116 and 118. Assuming these Flxibles had -1 numbers I still do not remember them. Those 200's were original Green Line equipment and were gone by '91.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catfish,

Those ten Flxibles did come from Triboro in 1991, and because they were given permanently to Green Line, they never carried the extra '1' in the fleet number.

They were 1980 Grumman model 53102-8-1's with serial numbers in the 92,000 range and carried Triboro's fleet numbers over which were; 101, 103, 105, 107, 111, 115, 122. 131, 134 and 135.

You refer to 100's from 1968; the only shipment of buses received in that year were 45 GM T6H-5305A's numbered 101 to 145.

I do note a load of 1970 35 foot Flxible's numbered in the 400's that came from Capital District Transportation Authority (Albany, NY) between 1984 and 1985.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY
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