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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 23613 Location: NEW JOISEY
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Here's an outstanding historical page on the old SIRT North Shore line to Arlington; many rare old photos, maps, etc. are also here.......
www.gretschviking.net/GOSIRTNorthShore.htm |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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..............the long-defunct 69th St. Ferry from St. George was, as you know, primarily a vehicular operation, although the boats had passenger cabins on the upper deck (service ended in late 1964)
Interestingly, in 1909, the City started a new vehicular ferry from the Battery to Stapleton; this new crossing utilized two ex-SIRT sidewheelers, the "CASTLETON" and the "STAPLETON".
This ferry line, sadly was a money loser from the beginning; operations ended in 1913............
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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When the 69th St. Ferry shut down in late 1964, it also severed the only direct public transportation link between Staten Island and Brooklyn.
Later, NYCTA express buses began operating between Brooklyn and Manhattan, via the VZ Bridge.
This photo dates to 1981........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154959
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Here's another photo from 1981, taken at the same location as seen in the previous photo; note, here, that the bus is one of the "borrowed" WAMATA buses that were then filling in for the MTA's ill-fated GRUMMANS......
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155776
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Though here we see a train of prewar IND cars on the "B" line (1969), this station is the BMT's 59th St. stop (4th Avenue line)
Had the SIRT/BMT connection been built, most likely, this station would have served as a crew-change point, for both BMT and SIRT crews.......
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1870
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Here are two photo of R-16's on the BMT 4th Avenue line; both date to the late 1960's.
Note that, in one photo, the lead car displays the original BMT "2" route number, while, in the other photo, the train displays the new (post-Chrystie) "RR" designation.......
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2088
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24002
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:03 am Post subject: |
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.........it never ceases to amaze me that, today, there is not one historic NY Harbor ferry in preservation; all have long ago been scrapped or left to decay and rust on the dreary mud flats of the infamous WITTES marine graveyard on Staten Island.
The "MAJOR GEN. Wm. H. HART", which served Governors Island for many years, resided for some years at South Street Seaport, being used as offices, classrooms and workshops for the Pioneer Marine School.
At one time, it was hoped that this historic steam ferry might be open to the public, but, sadly, that never came to pass.
This once-proud vessel long ago departed South Street Seaport for her date with oblivion.
New York (with San Francisco running a close second, likewise Seattle) was once the undisputed ferryboat capital of the world.
Today, not one example of a classic NY Harbor ferry survives (a miracle will surely be needed to see the SI Ferry's 1965 "KENNEDY" preserved for future generations.
Not a one of the dozens of railroad ferries survive today; likewise gone are all of the Staten Island and 69th St. boats.
These boats were, for decades, familiar, stalwart workhorses that we were all familiar with, so many years ago.
At least, in San Francisco, the famed ex-SP (ex-NWP) walking beam ferry "EUREKA" is preserved and open to the public on the SF waterfront.
How odd that not ONE of the old NY Harbor ferries was ever preserved likewise.....
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Hart Bus
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:57 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | .........it never ceases to amaze me that, today, there is not one historic NY Harbor ferry in preservation; all have long ago been scrapped or left to decay and rust on the dreary mud flats of the infamous WITTES marine graveyard on Staten Island.
The "MAJOR GEN. Wm. H. HART", which served Governors Island for many years, resided for some years at South Street Seaport, being used as offices, classrooms and workshops for the Pioneer Marine School.
At one time, it was hoped that this historic steam ferry might be open to the public, but, sadly, that never came to pass.
This once-proud vessel long ago departed South Street Seaport for her date with oblivion.
New York (with San Francisco running a close second, likewise Seattle) was once the undisputed ferryboat capital of the world.
Today, not one example of a classic NY Harbor ferry survives (a miracle will surely be needed to see the SI Ferry's 1965 "KENNEDY" preserved for future generations.
Not a one of the dozens of railroad ferries survive today; likewise gone are all of the Staten Island and 69th St. boats.
These boats were, for decades, familiar, stalwart workhorses that we were all familiar with, so many years ago.
At least, in San Francisco, the famed ex-SP (ex-NWP) walking beam ferry "EUREKA" is preserved and open to the public on the SF waterfront.
How odd that not ONE of the old NY Harbor ferries was ever preserved likewise.....
"NYO" |
You have to realize that each vessel takes up a lot of real estate. Add to that fact that there is probably not a lot of docking space for the boats |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hart Bus:
That is true, also.
The former DL&W/E-L ferry "BINGHAMTON" was moored at Edgewater, NJ, for many, many years as a successful restaurant; it had been abandoned prior to Superstorm Sandy, and was so badly damaged that she was scrapped on the spot (she was, also, the very last of the Hudson River railroad ferries.
The former Staten Island ferry, "MISS NEW YORK", also served in the same capacity in Bridgeport; she was later brought back down to Edgewater (to be a "companion" to the "BINGHAMTON", but, during a season of heavy ice, she sank at the pier she was moored to.
Had the "BINGHAMTON" not closed down as a restaurant, I'm certain that its management would have been slammed with COVID-19.
Yes, real estate ALWAYS plays a huge part in the preservation of ANY historic public transit vehicle/vessel (AFAIK, none of the original "CIRCLE LINE" vessels survive, either)......
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traildriver
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if having two different "Number 2" trains at Times Square Station complex, where the BMT and IRT crossed those routes created any confusion for some traveler's? Perhaps they didn't use those numbers over the same time period...not sure... |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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traildriver:
Recall, too, that the BMT routed included "high" numbers #14/#15, etc)
Back then, the IRT routes used "low" numbers; in fact, it was not until the introduction of the R-12's in 1948, that route numbers were used to identify trains.
Prior to the widespread introduction of postwar SMEE equipment, IRT routes were identified by their lines only:
"LEXINGTON AVENUE LOCAL"
"7TH AVENUE EXPRESS"
Then, of course, you had such designations as:
"THRU EXPRESS"
"SUPER EXPRESS"
On the BMT, it was not until the introduction of the D-Type "Triplex" units in 1925, that route numbers began to be used; the next BMT cars to use route numbers were the "Multi-Section" units of the later 1930's.
The "TRIPLEX" units were also the first BMT equipment to use end roller signs......
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