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NY Bus Museum Fleet: What bus would you like to preserve?
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TransitGuy




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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: NY Bus Museum Fleet: What bus would you like to preserve? Reply with quote

Hello everyone, I was given this list by Ripta42 a while ago:

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1917 FACCo double-decker #303
1938 FACCo Yellow Coach double-decker "Queen Mary" #2124
1948 NYCTS GMC TDH5101 #4789 as "New York City Omnibus 2969"
1956 Mack C-49 #6259
1956 FACCo GMC TDH5106 #3100
1956 GMC TDH5106 #7144
1956 GMC TDH5106 #9098
1959 GMC TDH5301 #100
1961 GMC TDH5301 #1059
1962 GMC TDH5301 #2151
1963 GMC TDH5301 #3758
1964 Flxible F2D6V401 #5117
1966 GMC TDH5303 #8466
1966 GMC TDH5303 #8602 (shortened to 30')
1968 GMC TDH5305A #8928
1970 Flxible 111CC-D5-1 #4727
1971 GMC T6H5305A Blitz #5227 (ex-4401)
1972 Jamaica Buses GMC T6H5308A #3001 (ex-Rex Bus Co, ex-Command 242)*
1973 Flxible 53102 #7340
1980 Grumman 870 #236
1981 GMC RTS T8W204 #1201
1982 NYBS GMC T8H5308A #1502
1985 GMC RTS T8J204 #4396 "Phoenix"
*not owned by NYCTA, as far as I'm aware

MTA Bus
The current museum fleet:
Green has 10001 GMC RTS
Jamaica has 3865 TMC RTS
Triboro has 621 New Look Fishbowl
NYBS has 1502 Fishbowl Suburban
Liberty has 3006 MCI Classic
Command has 4904 CNG TMC RTS


What buses would you add on and why?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would add MTA Bus 5887 because it was the last classic to run in NYC.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nycbusfan wrote:
I would add MTA Bus 5887 because it was the last classic to run in NYC.


I agree, I would add 5887 for sure and put in:

JBL 3001
A TMC or Nova RTS (both would be good I guess)
TMC RTS from TCC that had the front angle lightning stripe.
New Flyer C40LF
MCI Coach (most likely the 9/11 one)
New Flyer Artic
JBL GMC RTS (at least that would be a true JBL bus)
Orion V CNG (One from CP returned to original livery and the other from JG)
MCI Classic from NYBS, TCC, Command
And when the times comes, an Orion VII
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:58 am    Post subject: What Bus Would You Like To Preserve? Reply with quote

I really can't participate here because I have little familiarity with the present MTA fleet and only memories of past models.

However, I would say that any well rounded transit museum should have at least one representative specimen of every model ever purchased so that future generations can have a company 'history on wheels'.

What's really unfortunate is that the PBL's never had the foresight to save some of their interesting and colorful old buses which may now only be enjoyed in pictures.

Mr. Linsky


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TransitGuy wrote:
nycbusfan wrote:
I would add MTA Bus 5887 because it was the last classic to run in NYC.


I agree, I would add 5887 for sure and put in:

JBL 3001
A TMC or Nova RTS (both would be good I guess)
TMC RTS from TCC that had the front angle lightning stripe.
New Flyer C40LF
MCI Coach (most likely the 9/11 one)
New Flyer Artic
JBL GMC RTS (at least that would be a true JBL bus)
Orion V CNG (One from CP returned to original livery and the other from JG)
MCI Classic from NYBS, TCC, Command
And when the times comes, an Orion VII


Not a bad list, but it's unfortunately probably too large. I'm sure indoor storage space is at a premium.

Must-have's for the museum fleet would be a NYCT Orion V, a New Flyer articulated and the 9/11 MCI. I would add in an Orion V CNG restored to Queens Surface livery. And of course an Orion VII when the time comes - perhaps #6365 given its historic status as the first production Orion VII hybrid.

Jim
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RailBus63 wrote:
TransitGuy wrote:
nycbusfan wrote:
I would add MTA Bus 5887 because it was the last classic to run in NYC.


I agree, I would add 5887 for sure and put in:

JBL 3001
A TMC or Nova RTS (both would be good I guess)
TMC RTS from TCC that had the front angle lightning stripe.
New Flyer C40LF
MCI Coach (most likely the 9/11 one)
New Flyer Artic
JBL GMC RTS (at least that would be a true JBL bus)
Orion V CNG (One from CP returned to original livery and the other from JG)
MCI Classic from NYBS, TCC, Command
And when the times comes, an Orion VII


Not a bad list, but it's unfortunately probably too large. I'm sure indoor storage space is at a premium.

Must-have's for the museum fleet would be a NYCT Orion V, a New Flyer articulated and the 9/11 MCI. I would add in an Orion V CNG restored to Queens Surface livery. And of course an Orion VII when the time comes - perhaps #6365 given its historic status as the first production Orion VII hybrid.

Jim


Well I know that this is a big list but keep in mind. I'm just imagining this and wishing that the NYTM will use or at least listen to my idea about an NYTM bus depot which can be a defunct bus depot and basically serve as what the current museum is for trains but for buses.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Museum Fleet Reply with quote

I think the last time we discussed a permanent indoor museum for the buses on that 'other' site, Floyd Bennet Field was mentioned prominently as being ideal.

In addition to the many empty structures that might be available with parking galore, the Q35 goes right by making it very easy to get to by public transportation.

Has anyone checked out this possibility yet? (I would do it myself, but I'm three thousand miles away at the moment!).

BTW; Do you think the Port Authority might be receptive to giving us the use of the old Green Line garage in Cornell Park - if it's unaccupied at present? (just another idea).

Mr. Linsky


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cornell Park garage is definetly empty at this time. I have reason to believe the Port Authority will not be doing anything with that building for a while. There are other building across the street from it that have been empty for at least 6 years.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GBL Rebel wrote:
The Cornell Park garage is definetly empty at this time. I have reason to believe the Port Authority will not be doing anything with that building for a while. There are other building across the street from it that have been empty for at least 6 years.


Maybe we can convince the the MTA to do something. I have sent emails suggesting these ideas and some but I have been always given the response similar to "my supervisor is on vacation and I will let him know as soon as he comes back.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An original Green Lines newlook and perhaps a 1977 9xxx Flxible
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I have heard, at least 2 more RTS's have joined the museum fleet, along with an Orion V and Orion VI
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks as though this conversation has been going on for years!

Is there a Green Line New Look still in existence somewhere?

That would be great! especially if it were to be redone in its original livery.

And, is there any forward movement on finding a home for the whole fleet?

When this all started, I emailed Jim Lehrer of the PBS News Hour thinking that he might have some influence with the city being that he is a devout bus fan. Unforfunately, he never replied.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would argue against JBL# 3001. Not only because of space limitations, but this bus never ran in revenue service for JBL. It was kept as a special events bus and was orginailly delivered to Rex Bus Lines in New Jersey. Other than once wearing the JBL livery, what is its significance to the NYC transit scene?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkW wrote:
From what I have heard, at least 2 more RTS's have joined the museum fleet, along with an Orion V and Orion VI


Hopefully the Orion V is one of the 100-series buses - that order was significant for breaking the RTS's decade-long stranglehold on new TA bus orders.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They also could've added Green Lines 1979 GMC RTS 03 1012.
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