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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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 Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 9:08 am Post subject: |
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On this day........
In 1948, the IND's formidable, long-lived "Artens" (aka "Thunderboids") entered service on the "A" line.
In 1972, twenty-four years later, the "foist" train of gleaming "R-44s" entered service on the "D".
Where have the decades gotten to...........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24360
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5665
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | On this day........
In 1948, the IND's formidable, long-lived "Artens" (aka "Thunderboids") entered service on the "A" line.
In 1972, twenty-four years later, the "foist" train of gleaming "R-44s" entered service on the "D".
Where have the decades gotten to...........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24360
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5665
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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Nowadays, the 205th Street terminus looks about as dilapidated as the "Bee-Em-Tee's" Chambers Street station of the Nassau Street line. In that '72 photo that station looked far better kept.
As to Columbus Circle, I checked the scale drawings used during construction. The distance between track center and platform column on that station was 9' 5-1/2", vs. 9' 4" at most "Eye-En-Dee" stations (some, like Jay Street-Borough Hall, had a distance of 10' 2", as did the Eighth Avenue terminus of the 'Bee-Em-Tee's' 14th Street-Canarsie line). They used the old style 'S' steel beams and 'L' and 'plate' steel sections all over the place, before Carnegie Steel introduced their wide-flange beams. U.S. Steel (which owned Carnegie) is one of those "unsung heroes" in terms of the building of this system, as it was their sections that were used. That whole station looked far better "back then" than it does now, I can tell you. |
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | On this day........
In 1948, the IND's formidable, long-lived "Artens" (aka "Thunderboids") entered service on the "A" line.
In 1972, twenty-four years later, the "foist" train of gleaming "R-44s" entered service on the "D".
Where have the decades gotten to...........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24360
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5665
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
["A"]
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Nowadays, the 205th Street terminus looks about as dilapidated as the "Bee-Em-Tee's" Chambers Street station of the Nassau Street line. In that '72 photo that station looked far better kept.
As to Columbus Circle, I checked the scale drawings used during construction. The distance between track center and platform column on that station was 9' 5-1/2", vs. 9' 4" at most "Eye-En-Dee" stations (some, like Jay Street-Borough Hall, had a distance of 10' 2", as did the Eighth Avenue terminus of the 'Bee-Em-Tee's' 14th Street-Canarsie line). They used the old style 'S' steel beams and 'L' and 'plate' steel sections all over the place, before Carnegie Steel introduced their wide-flange beams. U.S. Steel (which owned Carnegie) is one of those "unsung heroes" in terms of the building of this system, as it was their sections that were used. That whole station looked far better "back then" than it does now, I can tell you. |
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MaBSTOA 15
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:03 am Post subject: |
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In 1965 the following buses were assigned to the 132nd Street Depot...
#s 2377-2415 GM TDH-4509
#s 2605-2685 GM TDH-5106 (with the box that sticks out)
#s 3216-3220 GM TDH-5301
#s 3485-3555 GM TDH-5303
#s 5520-5522 GM TDH-5303 (batwings)
#s 6781-6830 GM TDH-5303 (batwings)
In 1972 the following buses were assigned to the 132nd Street Depot...
#s 3301-3351 GM TDH-5303
#s 3462-3472 GM TDH-5303
#s 5516-5522 GM TDH-5303 (batwings)
#s 6642-6652 GM TDH-5303
#s 6796-6830 GM TDH-5303 (batwings)
#s 8621-8695 GM TDH-5303 (batwings and a/c)
They were used on the following routes...
3 Fifth and Convent/ St. Nicholas Avenues
4 Fifth and Fort Washington Avenues
5 Fifth Avenue and Riverside Drive
11 Ninth and Amsterdam Avenues |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:25 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:/MaBSTOA 15:
Always, GREATLY appreciate your taking the tine to post such a great wealth of historical "transit trivia"....THANKS! 
Back in 1965......and back in 1972......the "Em-Tee-Yay" was STILL operating REAL buses....it would still be many years before the "foist" of the invasion of "BINOS" arrived on the scene.
Again, HOW MUCH we all took for granted. 
Thank our lucky stars for PHOTOS, and, of course, MEMORIES! 
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| MaBSTOA 15 wrote: | In 1965 the following buses were assigned to the 132nd Street Depot...
#s 2377-2415 GM TDH-4509
#s 2605-2685 GM TDH-5106 (with the box that sticks out)
#s 3216-3220 GM TDH-5301
#s 3485-3555 GM TDH-5303
#s 5520-5522 GM TDH-5303 (batwings)
#s 6781-6830 GM TDH-5303 (batwings)
In 1972 the following buses were assigned to the 132nd Street Depot...
#s 3301-3351 GM TDH-5303
#s 3462-3472 GM TDH-5303
#s 5516-5522 GM TDH-5303 (batwings)
#s 6642-6652 GM TDH-5303
#s 6796-6830 GM TDH-5303 (batwings)
#s 8621-8695 GM TDH-5303 (batwings and a/c)
They were used on the following routes...
3 Fifth and Convent/ St. Nicholas Avenues
4 Fifth and Fort Washington Avenues
5 Fifth Avenue and Riverside Drive
11 Ninth and Amsterdam Avenues |
The (M)11 was at 132d Street depot from June 20, 1965 to Sept. 11, 1972, when it was shifted to the then-new Hudson depot at Pier 57. That depot also got the (M)12 Spring-Delancey and (M)14 14th Street from the 12th Street depot (which thereafter closed), and the (M)13 8th Street, (M)15 (later M26, now M23) 23d Street, (M)16 34th Street and (M)21 Houston Street-Avenue C from 54th Street. Buses from 132d Street, 100th Street and Amsterdam depots were shifted to the new depot / garage, as well as all those already at 12th Street. (While buses 8459-8477 from 100th Street were converted for express bus service, on the M23X and, later, M41 routes; this was why only six T6H-5310A's [4500-4505] were accorded to MaBSTOA, thus making it an even 25 buses for express runs.) |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Recalling those long-ago days when the fearsome "Thunderboids" ruled the "A" line........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24550
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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.....been reading about the rapid influx of "Are-2-Elevens" on the "B" line, and, just what might replace them on the "Frankie", at some future date.
IMHO, I'm going to wager that, near the end, the few remaining "Brighton Belles" will be relegated to the "Frankie"......that is, until eben there they become redundant.
Indeed, nothing is forever...........
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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....when the "Brighton Belles" are finally put out to pasture, not only will they close out the era of roller curtains, but, also, the style of seating introduced by the ol' reliable "Fordy-Fours", over 50 years ago.........
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2025 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | ....when the "Brighton Belles" are finally put out to pasture, not only will they close out the era of roller curtains, but, also, the style of seating introduced by the ol' reliable "Fordy-Fours", over 50 years ago.........
"NYO"
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Although the "Fordy-Fours' " seating was technically a revival of that used on all car classes from the "Arnines" up to the R-16's. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2025 10:13 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
For the life of me, I cannot understand why, with the NTTs assigned to the BMT/IND, why that old style of seating was not incorporated into the new units.
Though, recall, from the "R-27s"/"R-30s" through to the "R-42s", the "back-to-the-wall" seating was utilized.
I am sure, that "Es-Eye-Are" commuters are now indeed missing the more comfortable seating of the now-retired "Fordy-Fours"......
"NYO"
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