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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2025 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyberider wrote:
Thanks for the info, NYO. I always wondered about PSNJ. Sounds like they had a very impressive scope in their earlier days. In addition to the great looking paint scheme on their streetcars and buses!


Cyberider:

Again, you are most welcome!

PS adopted their famed gray/white scheme just about the time the War was winding down; formerly the buses/ASVs, like the streetcars,
were orange/yellow.

Early in the 20th century, PS bought out virtually all of the independent traction companies in the stare.

PSNJ bought out the ailing North Jersey Rapid Transit interurban in 1925, and operated the line until late 1928.

What I have always found MOST unusual, is that, when the PS-operated cars stopped running (between Paterson and Suffern) it was the buses of a PRIVATE carrier that replaced them, NOT buses operated by PS!

So very little is left today of what was once New Jersey's largest streetcar and bus operator..........

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2025 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The newest buses operated by TNJ were the Flex New Looks; the NJDOT ordered nearly 900 of these buses in the late 1970s for TNJ and numerous other private carriers in the state.

Note the ex-PSNJ Fishbowl suburban bringing up the rear! (this classic 1981 scene is one that I saw daily for many years, when I was still working in Lower Manhattan! Wink

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155323

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2025 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TNJ also rostered a large number of "transit" New Looks with rear exit doors; this bus is signed for the "21" (ESSEX Division) which was a (Newark) subway-surface car line until late 1951.........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155316

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2025 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an TNJ (ex-PSNJ) first generation Fishbowl on the "42" in Newark, back in 1975; note the prominent school flashers.

The "42", incidently, was operated by ASVs between 1937 and 1948..............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156473

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here we see an-ex PSNJ Fishbowl at the Franklin Avenue station (City Subway) in 1974.

This was, for decades, a very busy transfer point, especially during rush hours.

Sadly, a new station, "Silver Lake", has been built here, and the area is now totally unrecognizable.

Look closely in the background (opposite the front of the bus) and you'll just glimpse a PCC, waiting to head back to Penn Station.

I took many photos here, back in the early 1970s! Very Happy

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155377

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When these timeless photos were taken in 1976, TNJ's remaining ex-PSNJ Old Look suburbans were well into their twilight; by the following year, they would all have been retired, replaced by new NJDOT Flex New Looks.

I knew these classic buses well, in my much younger days....... Wink

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https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156469

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156470

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in 1975, we see this classic PSNJ (TNJ) Old Look suburban at the old Oradell garage; by the following year, all of these classic buses would be gone. Sad

They gave many, many years of faithful, reliable service, right up until the end............and will NEVER be forgotten...... Wink

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https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156472

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The very last New Jersey suburban company to roster Old Looks was "SOMERSET"; their buses were particularly handsome, and lasted in service until about 1981, when SOMERSET was taken over by NJT.

I often saw them at the PABT and passing through the Lincoln Tunnel, many years back, but, sadly, never got a chance to ride them...... Sad

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154519

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another beauty. As I've mentioned, Sun Valley Bus Lines in Phoenix had several of these for the then suburban line running from Phoenix to Mesa. I think at least one of them lasted until the early 80's. As I recall, they had a 3-speed automatic transmission. I didn't know about that until one ride where it got going pretty fast and shifted into "overdrive" after really winding out in 2nd. Really great sounds!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyberider wrote:
Another beauty. As I've mentioned, Sun Valley Bus Lines in Phoenix had several of these for the then suburban line running from Phoenix to Mesa. I think at least one of them lasted until the early 80's. As I recall, they had a 3-speed automatic transmission. I didn't know about that until one ride where it got going pretty fast and shifted into "overdrive" after really winding out in 2nd. Really great sounds!


Cyberider:

Those big and beautiful suburban Old Looks, here in NJ, were both TDH and TDM models; virtually every North Jersey suburban company rostered these big buses, many of which lasted well into the 1970s.

The companies I recall rostering them here in New Jersey were as follows:

PSNJ

DE CAMP

ORANGE & BLACK

INTER-CITY

SOMERSET

MANHATTAN LINES

RED & TAN

LAKELAND

BLUE & WHITE

Like the Old Looks themselves, all of these old companies are now part of history, save for LAKELAND.

It's all NJT's black and white oversized milk cartons and giant caterpillars now..........Razz

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also:

When the nearly 900-bus order of NJDOT Flex New Looks began arriving around 1976/1977, it literally spelled the end of the line for virtually all of the suburban Old Looks than operating in North Jersey.

The lone exception were those of "SOMERSET" ("The Blue Star Route"), which, somehow, managed to remain in service until about 1981..........

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You had a lot more Old Look surburbans to admire than I did. Phoenix Transit didn't have any so it was just the few that Sun Valley had.

As for the Flx New Looks, I'd never even seen one until I spent my year in LA in 1972-3 where they were plentiful. I thought the newer ones, at least, were really nice buses. They had a distinctively different sound than the GM New Looks with the same drivetrain. Rode them on Wilshire Blvd. mainly.

A few years after I moved back to Tempe, Phoenix Transit purchased a small fleet of them, 20, I think. They had this brightly colored tuck and roll upholstery which I'd never seen in a bus before. These buses seemed to be oddballs in the fleet and didn't last all that long, to my dismay.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyberider:

Though New York's NYCTA had Flex New Looks since the mid-1960s, here in New Jersey, there were none whatsoever until the huge influx of NJDOT-purchased buses (nearly 900!) arrived in the later 1970s.

Between about 1995 and 1998 there was one lone ex-WAMTA Flex New Look running on the old NHBL #1; I would ride this bus as part of my morning commute.

This "oddball" was one of the many older DC buses (Fishbowls and New Looks) that came up to New York in the early 1980s, to "bail out" the MTA, when the entire fleet of new GRUMMANS was pulled from service.

This Flex also had VERY THICK (and comfortable!) bucket seats that were still in very decent shape; to make it even MORE interesting, the bus was using a circa-1950 Johnson "D" farebox, salvaged from a long-retired NHBL bus!

DO NOT ask me why I NEVER got around to taking any pictures.... Sad

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also:

The first Flex New Looks went into service for the MTA (Los Angeles) in 1963; here, they were dubbed "SilverLiners"........... Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess that was opposed to "Dreamliners" that I think the GM Fishbowls were referred to as when they took over the PCC routes.
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