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"LEST WE FORGET" (11/1/1918)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:05 pm    Post subject: "LEST WE FORGET" (11/1/1918) Reply with quote

On this day the horrific, deadly Malbone Street wreck on the BRT snuffed out nearly 100 lives, beneath the streets of Brooklyn.

It was this wreck that later banned wooden rolling stock from operating underground, and banishing the "Composites" to the Manhattan Els.

Years ago, my mother told me that a neighbor of my grandmother's lost a relative in that tragic accident.........

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frightening.............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?94284

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?114322

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbone_Street_wreck

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is another excellent (illustrated) page...........

https://nytransitmuseum.org/Malbone/

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also of interest...........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMT_Franklin_Avenue_Line

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I.I.N.M., the "Composites" were actually exiled to the Manhattan els starting in 1916, after the first "Lo-V's" began taking their place on the subways. Preceding by two years the Malbone Street wreck. But that sealed the deal in wooden cars being banned from underground, for sure.

As a result of which most of that thoroughfare has since been renamed Empire Boulevard.

John F. Hylan was Mayor at the time of this premeditated carelessness. He used this incident to ram forth his anti-"traction interests" agenda - and agitate for a new municipally-operated subway (which would come to be the "Eye-En-Dee," originally the "Independent" system). Many Dual Contracts portions (of both "traction companies") remained uncompleted until after he was out of office.

Furthermore, this was one of the factors that, at the end of 1918, plunged the "Bee-Are-Tee" into bankruptcy, later to be superseded in 1923 after reorganization by the "Bee-Em-Tee."

So it wasn't just in those people that died or were injured in the wreck. It was the fallout all around.

Finally, both of Stan Fischler's subway books, in the chapter on the worst rapid transit disasters, led with this.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Recall that, when the State Street Subway opened in "Shik-aga" in the early 1940s, it was a train of 4000s that did the honors.

First off, these were the newest CRT cars, but also, they were STEEL (at that time, with the exception of the 4000s, the CRT's fleet was all wooden rolling stock)

It was obvious that the "See-Are-Tee" was thinking of SAFETY, in lieu of what they obviously knew about the 1918 Malbone Street wreck.

Certainly, the loss of life would have been less if the ill-fated BRT train had made up of steel equipment, but, then again, look at the 1928 "Eye-Are-Tee" Times Square disaster, which, of course, involved all-steel equipment........

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thought of this.......

I seem to recall a photo (cannot recall where I saw it) from the 1970s that depicted a minor derailment not far from the 1918 wreck; can anyone else here shed more light on this?

Thanks.....

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also........

It is important to remember that, at the time of the 1918 disaster, the BRT's rapid transit fleet was still largely made up of wooden El cars (also, recall the network of EL lines that then radiated out of Park Row)

At that time, the "Steels" were still very much in the ultra-minority in the BRT fleet............

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the structural stability of all-steel rolling stock, in serious accidents, steel construction itself can also be quite unforgiving, as seen here of an unfortunate "R-1" at the 207th Street yard, back in 1960 (let's hope there was no loss of life)............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?159543

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
W.B.:

Recall that, when the State Street Subway opened in "Shik-aga" in the early 1940s, it was a train of 4000s that did the honors.

First off, these were the newest CRT cars, but also, they were STEEL (at that time, with the exception of the 4000s, the CRT's fleet was all wooden rolling stock)

It was obvious that the "See-Are-Tee" was thinking of SAFETY, in lieu of what they obviously knew about the 1918 Malbone Street wreck.

Certainly, the loss of life would have been less if the ill-fated BRT train had made up of steel equipment, but, then again, look at the 1928 "Eye-Are-Tee" Times Square disaster, which, of course, involved all-steel equipment........

"NYO"

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"See-Are-Tee's" emphasis on safety viz the subways with their only having 4000-series cars run those rails, contrasted wildly with their "daredevil" approach to the way their "L's" ("Watch out for that foist step!" - Bugs Bunny) were, and still are, constructed.

Then of course, in terms of massive fatalities on steel cars, there was also the 1942 wreck at the "Aitch & Em's" Exchange Place station . . .


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Just thought of this.......

I seem to recall a photo (cannot recall where I saw it) from the 1970s that depicted a minor derailment not far from the 1918 wreck; can anyone else here shed more light on this?

Thanks.....

"NYO"

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It was from Dec. 1, 1974 (56 years and one month after the Malbone Street wreck), and involved "Are-Toity-Toos." They were operating at a much slower speed than the 1918 wooden rolling stock, but - same results.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Thanks for the info on that derailment; I was leaning towards either the "Toity-Twos" or "R-34s".

I knew I could recall seeing a photo, somewhere, quite awhile ago...........

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are two 1950s-era photos of a pretty mangled "R-16" (again, hope there were no fatalities)

This mishap was the result of a nasty altercation with a BMT "Brooklyn Battleship" (aka "Steel")

Note, also, the B&QT PCC (the lone "CLARK" unit)

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?150172

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?150171

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recalling now this messy "Eye-Are-Tee" encounter, earlier this year...............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?161248

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