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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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.......at least a brief mention should also be made of the group of SCENICRUISERS (and 4104s) which were shipped over to Korea, and which, for a time, operated for "KOREA GREYHOUND", back in the 1970s...........

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Speaking of EAGLES...........

Back in the (80s?) I recall NJT operating EAGLE coaches; I saw these buses often.

I always said I was going to take a ride on of them, but never did.

One thing I DO recall that sticks out in my memory, was that these buses were particularly noisy (at least, that's how they seemed to me)

If memory serves me correctly, the EAGLES did not last long in NJT's fleet (would be interested to learn who bought them, after the days when NJT were over)..........

"NYO"

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NJT ordered a custom version of the Model 10 that was dubbed the Model 20. It had a revised front end, where the driver sat about a foot higher than other Eagles, and passenger's would climb 4 steps to reach the platform instead of the normal 3, but then would only turn to climb one more to the floor level, instead of the normal 2. I like that better, for the driver to sit higher. In addition, the front destination sign was huge in comparison to the standard Eagle's. The rear end was also different. The back looked more like a truck, than a bus, with a pair of doors that swung to the side, instead of the normal "tailgate" door....the radiator and fan arrangement were different also...

The only other carrier I saw with them was Suburban Transit. Those were probably owned by NJT and leased to Suburban, as are many other buses in New Jersey fleets.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2025 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thinking..........

IMHO, both the SCENICRUISER and the EAGLE were the most iconic highway coaches of the 20th century.

Recall, now, that when the SCENICRUISER first debuted, there was much nationwide hoopla surrounding this startling new coach, from both the traveling public and the news media.

It was not long before the SCENICRUISER became "America's bus".

It did not take long for this sleek highway coach to become an integral part of American icons.

Now, several years after the SCENICRUISER arrived, another eye-catching, modern coach, the EAGLE, quickly became the gleaming flagship of CONTINENTAL TRAILWAYS.

Now, what I've been pondering over the last few days......

I am now wondering if the EAGLE would have appeared had the SCENICRUISER not been developed?

Was the EAGLE the response from CONTINENTAL TRAILWAYS, basically saying, "Hey, we have to come up with our OWN all-new, all-modern, eye-catching coach!"

What I'm saying here, is that, had the SCENICRUISER not been developed, would TRAILWAYS looked to develop the EAGLE, and thus, NOT have to "keep up with the Joneses"?

IMHO, it seemed as though TRAILWAYS saw great potential in designing and building an all-new, modernistic coach that would at least TRY to give the SCENICRUISER a run for its money?

In other words, had the SCENICRUISER never existed, would there have ever been an EAGLE?

Just thinkin'........

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2025 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also interesting.........

Even though the SCENICRUISER's production spanned only a few years, the coach's overall appearance remained the same.

However, the later EAGLES indeed presented a noticeable difference to the original 1957 coaches, built by KASSBOHRER..........

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Just thinking..........

IMHO, both the SCENICRUISER and the EAGLE were the most iconic highway coaches of the 20th century.

Recall, now, that when the SCENICRUISER first debuted, there was much nationwide hoopla surrounding this startling new coach, from both the traveling public and the news media.

It was not long before the SCENICRUISER became "America's bus".

It did not take long for this sleek highway coach to become an integral part of American icons.

Now, several years after the SCENICRUISER arrived, another eye-catching, modern coach, the EAGLE, quickly became the gleaming flagship of CONTINENTAL TRAILWAYS.

Now, what I've been pondering over the last few days......

I am now wondering if the EAGLE would have appeared had the SCENICRUISER not been developed?

Was the EAGLE the response from CONTINENTAL TRAILWAYS, basically saying, "Hey, we have to come up with our OWN all-new, all-modern, eye-catching coach!"

What I'm saying here, is that, had the SCENICRUISER not been developed, would TRAILWAYS looked to develop the EAGLE, and thus, NOT have to "keep up with the Joneses"?

IMHO, it seemed as though TRAILWAYS saw great potential in designing and building an all-new, modernistic coach that would at least TRY to give the SCENICRUISER a run for its money?

In other words, had the SCENICRUISER never existed, would there have ever been an EAGLE?

Just thinkin'........

"NYO"

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["RIDE GOLDEN EAGLE LUXURY"]


Most likely, no. Since Greyhound would not permit GM to sell the Scenicruiser to other companies, Trailways had to find a way to be competitive.

The PD-4901 should have fit that bill, as it was essentially mechanically identical, but lacked the iconic deck and a half design. The interim solution, was the Flxible VistaCruiser, but it was only 35 feet long. M E Moore tried to get them and other builders to copy the Scenicruiser, but most of them declined. C D Beck eventually did, and Queen City Trailways bought some, but it did not prove successful, and there may have been some (not sure) litigation threats from Greyhound over their obvious copying.

So M E Moore went to Europe, and found a willing participant in Kassbohrer Setra.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Also interesting.........

Even though the SCENICRUISER's production spanned only a few years, the coach's overall appearance remained the same.

However, the later EAGLES indeed presented a noticeable difference to the original 1957 coaches, built by KASSBOHRER..........

"NYO"

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Considering the Eagle production spanned about 40 years, compared to 3 years, that should come as no surprise... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traildriver:

Good responses, all! Wink

I STILL regret, many years ago, NOT taking at least ONE trip aboard an NJT "Eagle"; yes, I saw them quite frequently, and, yes, I HAD planned to "go for a jaunt" aboard one of these handsome coaches, but, alas, somehow, I never got around to it. Sad

Well, if nothing else, I DO have the memories! Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2026 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think about this..............

The legendary PCC is often hailed as "The Ultimate American Streetcar; if that is the case, them, without a doubt, the iconic SCENICRUISER was/is the ULTIMATE in American highway coach design......and no wonder! Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2026 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

................."runner up" for the most iconic American highway coach, is, of couse, the ever-sty;ish and gleaming EAGLE....... Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2026 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....that the SCENICRUIDER indeed wasa design far ahead of its time was evident iin the fact that at least one non-GM manufacruer tried to "cash in" with a "SCENICRUISER" pf its own.
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This, of course, was the "ACENUCRUISER "clone" built by BECK.

This handspme bus was indeed MORE than inspired by the SCENICRUISER, but, of course, a purist could easily see the differences in design.

The old saying goes, "....imittion is the sincerest form of flattery....."

That about says it all........ Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2026 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CD Beck imitations got closer and closer to the 'real thing' as they evolved, to the point where GM and Greyhound warned them of litigation for intellectual property infringement, so they ceased production.

The basic idea of the raised rear deck goes back much further in history than the GX-2....there were various schemes dating back to the 1930's, of similar designs on buses built by Kenworth, and others.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14024074@N05/51969931808
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2026 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Thanks for the link! Crying or Very sad

Yes, that "split level" design indeed goesway back before the SCENICRUISER; I'e seen photos of som eeally eye-cAtching highway coaches fromthe 193-s

Reclal, too, that FLXIBLE's 1950s "VISTA-LINER", a two-axle coach cwas laerly SCENICRUIER insired.

Msny tin ltho tpys replicated this design, back in the day..........

NYO"

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2026 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

taildriver:

Note the highly-unusual "splitt level"/three axle trolleybus, preserved in Great Britaini....... Embarassed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trolleybus_Museum_at_Sandtoft

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2026 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Take notice that this stylish SCEICRUISER-esque coach (manufactured in Spain) debuted in 1951. a few years before the 4501 appeared here in the States...........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegaso_Z-403

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2026 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver:

Take notice that this stylish SCEICRUISER-esque coach (manufactured in Spain) debuted in 1951. a few years before the 4501 appeared here in the States...........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegaso_Z-403

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The GX-2 Scenicruiser prototype came out in 1949. Also, the ACF-Brill ICO-X-001 one of a kind also came out in 1950, another deck and a half based on the IC-41...

Found this photo on facebook...

https://scontent-mia5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/561731004_10162933354679870_8265974065791537263_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_tt6&cstp=mx720x462&ctp=s720x462&_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=536f4a&_nc_ohc=11xYWNvAjtQQ7kNvwEANAmO&_nc_oc=AdoOtn93FEU-cGvfHrg1PiJlBKeECY9nL2nyWzeRpi4_E1q21ODonEjOKmcMun6ttxM&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-mia5-1.xx&_nc_gid=qXUmFv_wNAp9ilTGnuVIlQ&_nc_ss=7b2a8&oh=00_AQSx2yWJmkGXsakTGVzyyfe1XMAtV1QtfnoRYlEvUWdCYA&oe=6AF5B768
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