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W.B. Fishbowl
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Looks almost like Central Park West and 65th Street. |
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X-Astorian
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| W.B. Fishbowl wrote: |
Looks almost like Central Park West and 65th Street. |
I see why you might say that but Central Park West is two-way and the bus is on a one-way street next to a park and the church at 65th Street is quite different. I was thinking Prospect Park West but I can't find a similar church. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:17 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Quick question(s).....
What "Em-Tee-Yay"/MaBSTOA route(s) was the first to have the new buses replace (at least in part) the Fishbowls and/or "Dangerfields"?
What was the first garage to stable a 100% RTS fleet?
Thanks for input....
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Given the many photos that we've seen in the course of this discussion, it is clear that the now-vanished Queens independent companies indeed took to the RTS early on, unlike the MTA.
It is also interesting to think that, when the first RTS buses in this country entered revenue service, it had been just a couple of years after the last GM Fishbowls were built in the United States.........
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B.:
Quick question(s).....
What "Em-Tee-Yay"/MaBSTOA route(s) was the first to have the new buses replace (at least in part) the Fishbowls and/or "Dangerfields"?
What was the first garage to stable a 100% RTS fleet?
Thanks for input....
"NYO" |
I can say that two of the depots that seemed top-heavy on the first group of RTS's in '81 were 146th Street and Hudson depot, as I saw a lot of them on the M7 and M10 routes from the former, and M11 and M16 from the latter.
I'll leave it to the other experts to answer your last question. |
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| X-Astorian wrote: | | W.B. Fishbowl wrote: |
Looks almost like Central Park West and 65th Street. |
I see why you might say that but Central Park West is two-way and the bus is on a one-way street next to a park and the church at 65th Street is quite different. I was thinking Prospect Park West but I can't find a similar church. |
It wouldn't be Brooklyn that I know of because 2263 is from among the buses ordered for MaBSTOA, and 'Tee-Yay' RTS's of this lot would have been within the 1200's to 1300's. But then, some depot assignments have been a bit "way out" over the years, no? |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| W.B. Fishbowl wrote: | | NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B.:
Quick question(s).....
What "Em-Tee-Yay"/MaBSTOA route(s) was the first to have the new buses replace (at least in part) the Fishbowls and/or "Dangerfields"?
What was the first garage to stable a 100% RTS fleet?
Thanks for input....
"NYO" |
I can say that two of the depots that seemed top-heavy on the first group of RTS's in '81 were 146th Street and Hudson depot, as I saw a lot of them on the M7 and M10 routes from the former, and M11 and M16 from the latter.
I'll leave it to the other experts to answer your last question. |
W.B.:
Thanks for this info; it is, of course, more than I had known previously.
BTW:
I will bet the farm that, after the "Borough Bomber" fiasco of the early 1980's, that the Powers That Be at the "Em-Tee-Yay" wished they had gone with the RTS right from the get-go, instead of investing BIG $$$$$$ in the ill-fated GRUMMAN order (837 buses in total)
No wonder that the agency suddenly became QUITE enamored with the RTS, after the GRUMMAN debacle........
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From: "RAPID TRANSIT SERIES BUSES" (McCausland).........
"..........Jamaica Bus Lines didn't purchase any Series 06s from GMC, but they did purchase at least one second-hand from Triboro Coach. This bus, #3701, was one of only a handful of Methanol-powered test buses........."
"........it would have carried number 221, but Green Bus Lines chose to let #10,001st carry its number proudly......"
"........New York City had another visitor from GM in the middle of 1980, when a 40', 102" wide RTS visited as a demo....."
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | I will bet the farm that, after the "Borough Bomber" fiasco of the early 1980's, that the Powers That Be at the "Em-Tee-Yay" wished they had gone with the RTS right from the get-go, instead of investing BIG $$$$$$ in the ill-fated GRUMMAN order (837 buses in total)
No wonder that the agency suddenly became QUITE enamored with the RTS, after the GRUMMAN debacle........
"NYO"
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The only reason I can see why they went with the "Borough Bombers" in the first place is because of all those "Dangerfields" ordered between 1973 and 1977 - and not a single GM bus since the "custom" Fishbowl orders of 1972-73. Never mind that since the last of the 'Dangerfields' entered service in 1977, Flxible's ownership had changed so.
But yeah, it does underscore that, with rolling stock as well as everything else, the dangers of putting too many eggs (if not all of them) into one basket. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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W.B.:
Recall that, for several years after domestic production of the Fishbowl ended, production of Fishbowls continued in Canada.
Imagine had the "Em-Tee-Yay" purchased Canadian-built Fishbowls, instead of "Borough Bombers"?
In "WELCOME ABOARD THE GM NEW LOOK BUS", it says that a number of loyal GM customers in the States continued to order Canadian Fishbowls.
There was mention that one customer was "The Transit Operators Of New York Group, New York City"
Any info on this agency and its purchases?
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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Further on Canadian Fishbowls in the US.....
In "WELCOME ABOARD THE GM NEW LOOK BUS", there is a color photo (on page 124) of QUEENS TRANSIT Fishbowl #771, on the Avenue of Americas.
According to the caption, this bus was the first of 13 from Montreal, in 1979.
These buses were model T8H-5307A/M001; #771 is signed:
"EXPRESS JEWEL AVE".
Did any of the other independent companies purchase Canadian Fishbowls?
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | | There was mention that one customer was "The Transit Operators Of New York Group, New York City" |
It's possible that was a cooperative of different private companies - Queens Transit being amongst them. This may explain why they later got the Canadian-built "GM Classics" after Fishbowl production north of the border finally ended. |
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W.B. Fishbowl
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Also, from another online forum, here is a snapshot of which companies in the NY metro got 'em (all T8H-5307A's):
1979
M001-M025 771-795 Queens Transit Corporation Queens NY
M026-M030 625-629 Triboro Coach Company New York NY
M031-M040 355-364 Green Bus Lines New York NY
M041-M050 615-624 Triboro Coach Company New York NY
1980
M056-M057 3-4 Steinway Transit Corporation New York NY
M059 5 Steinway Transit Corporation New York NY
M063 8 Steinway Transit Corporation New York NY
M067 7 Steinway Transit Corporation New York NY
M068 6 Steinway Transit Corporation New York NY
The following also got these T8H-5308A's from Canuck land:
1980
Queens Transit Corporation 853-862 OC81 C3500073-C3500082 Queens NY
New York Bus Service 1481-1495 DE81 C3500275-C3500289 New York NY
New York Bus Service 1496-1505 JA82 C3500385-C3500394 New York NY |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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W.B.:
Thanks for the info; much appreciated.
This reminds me of New Jersey's SOMERSET's purchase of four PREVOST "Champions" in 1968.
These four buses were noteworthy in that they were the first Canadian-built transit/suburban coaches purchased by a company in the States......
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