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Memories Of The "Friendly Skies"
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Good points, all.

Recall, also,TWA took delivery of their last "Connies" ("JETSTREAM") in 1957; just two years later (1959) TWA was already placing 707's in service.

The "JETSTREAM", though a magnificent-looking aircraft, to be sure, was a plane that was built too late to be able to compete with the new jets (TWA replaced overseas Constellation flights with jets in 1961)

Only a few years later (1960), TWA began converting some of its L-1649A Constellations into freighters.

Ironically, when TWA retired its last "Connies" in 1967, the older models were the ones still in service; the newer Constellations had already been retired.

The massive and majestic BRISTOL "BRITANNIA" prop-jet was also a "prop" plane that was introduced too late to compete with pure jets.....

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recall, also, that TWA was an airline that did not operate any prop-jets; when they retired the last "Connies" in 1967, TWA became an all-"pure jet" carrier.

EASTERN had been using its last Constellations in shuttle service until 1968, one year after TWA retired the last of their "Connie" fleet.

These venerable aircraft were, in turn, replaced by L-188 ELECTRA prop-jets, which lasted in the service for another decade.......

"NYO"

["EASTERN SHUTTLE"]
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did a little research and came across this most interesting page; this is a very interesting article with a number of intriguing images......

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/passenger-planes-future-look/index.html

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of these proposed future "airliners" are indeed bizarre, to say the least....(!!) Shocked

https://listverse.com/2016/02/28/10-proposed-airliners-of-the-future/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With rising fuel costs always in the news these days, it is basically a "no-brainer" that future airliners are going to be designed to be as "green" as possible, and to usher in a new era of fuel-efficient commercial aircraft.

Recall, TWA's sleek, rouguish-looking CONVAIR 880, which was withdrawn in 1974, due to the then-current fuel crises; these now-=classic airliners entered service with TWA on January 12, 1961....the very same day that Your's Truly turned four! Wink (ANCIENT history, four sure!)

The first-generation jet airliners dated from a long-ago time when fuel was both plentiful and cheap (compared to 2022)

What will the future hold for the airliners of the future?

We can only speculate......

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Flying the FRIENDLY skies"!?!? Rolling Eyes Razz

The recent massive meltdown at Southwest just recently......a computer glitch that grounded all flights in the country.....SOMETHING is indeed going on.

Who is REALLY in charge, here?

WHY are such massive and disruptive failures happening more and more frequently?

Sadly, we now live in an age where unruly, unstable passengers get violent during flights; flight delays and cancellations are becoming more and more frequent.

The days of sane, stable, and well-dressed airline passengers have, sadly, vanished forever.

Hard to believe, that, as recently as several decades ago, fine meals on fine chine was served to well-dressed passengers, observation decks at many airports were commonplace, and there were no long, tedious lines for passengers (and their luggage) to be scanned like a loaf of bread at a supermarket check-out.

"Progress"?

Hardly..........

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thinking.........

As in the late 1960's, when older, non-GM buses (WHITES, MACKS, ACF-BRILLS) were rapidly disappearing from many rosters, so were the last of the piston airliners, especially with the larger,"front line" carriers.

A 1966 photo of the old Newark Airport (which is in one of the books in my aviation library) shows almost an equal number of older piston airliners and the new jets (I well recall those long-gone days, on family jaunts out to the airport)

The first jets flew out of Newark in late 1961.

TWA flew their last Connies out of Newark (or anywhere else) in 1967; ironically, these were older models, as the newer Connies had already been retired (some were converted to freighters before TWA became all-jet in 1967)

The following year, 1968, saw EASTERN's Connies on the shuttle out of Newark replaced by turboprop L-188 Electras, which, themselves, were retired in the later 70's..

It was about that time when UNITED and DELTA also retired their last piston craft.

It indeed was a thrilling experience to see, hear, and smell those classic propliners of another age, alongside the sleek, new, stylish jets, from the old observation deck.

It's all so long ago, now..........

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.......anyone interested in the "Golden Era" of air travel would do well to snap up a copy of Robert D. Archer's OUTSTANDING pictorial, "AIRLINERS AT LAX 1956-1976".

Chock-full of magnificent color photos, virtually every type of airliner then in use (prop/prop-jet/jet) are represented here.

It is sobering, indeed, to see how many of the once-commonplace airlines represented within these pages no longer exist.

Excellent photos of planes taking off and landing, on the taxiways, and at the terminal.

One mid-1960's photo shows a veteran UNITED DC-6 on finals, with one prop feathered! Shocked

Quite a few "Connies" here, shown in the liveries of several airlines, including TWA, FLYING TIGERS, and, even an "upstart" carrier, "TRANS CALIFORNIA", which mostly operated flights from LAX to Havasu, then a growing resort area on the Colorado River.

Quite a few DC-6's and 7's here as well!

The graceful Bristol "Britannia" (aka "the Whispering Giant") prop-jet is also represented here.

Classic jets include 707s, DC-8's, 727's, DC-8's, DC-9's, Caravelles, Convairs and Comets; in later years, we see the original "big boys" in all their original splendor: TriStars, DC-10's, and, of course, the original "Jumbo", the now-iconic 747.

Veteran DC-3's, Convairs, and Martins are also to be seen here, in all of their original, colorful glory.

I heartily recommend this outstanding book to anyone interested in commercial aviation, as it was, so long ago........ Wink

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The iconic 707: "THE Jet Of The Swingin' 60s"-----Personally-I do not think that any of the jets of the 1960s represented the "Swingin' 60's" than did the 707; sleek-stylish-and FAST-the 707 was indeed a jet that indeed "captured" the "Jet Set" 1960s; airlines flocked to buy the new jets-eager to usher in the flashy new era of jet transport-and to usher out the era of the now-dated piston propliners------the first jet to touch down at Newark Airport in 1961 was-indeed-a 707; TWA's 707s first flew in 1958------66 years ago! Shocked The glossy and colorful airline ads of that day touted the sleek new 707s as THE jet of choice; countless tin-plastic-and diecast toys replicated the sleek new jet in great profusion-----with the 707 now the "Shining Star Of The Sky"------the handwriting was indeed on the wall-----handwriting that would soon relegate the trustworthy tried-and-true piston airliners to the scrapyard (those that were not sold to other carriers-both here and south-of-the-border)----these now iconic jetliners today recall a long-lost era when folks dressed up to fly----a safer-saner and indeed-an era where open "flight decks" at airports far and near allowed us to watch the takeoffs and landings of planes that-today-are now part of airline history-----ahhhh- but was indeed an exciting era-while it all lasted (recall also the 707 attired in "TRANS-GLOBAL" regalia for the star-studded 1970 blockbuster "AIRPORT")-----"NYO"
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Built to last"----------through the 1970s and into the 1980s-not a few piston airliners that had once operated for US carriers could still be found hard at work carrying passengers and cargo south of the border; one airline-"QUISQUEYANA"-was still flying two ancient "049" Connies to San Juan; these classic propliners ran chock-a-block with EASTERN's L-1011s as late as 1979-------into the early 1980s- there were ex-BOAC DC-7s and ex-UNITED DC-6s flying (as freighters) out of Trinidad-----------"NYO"
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of "Built to last"...what do you think about this 'bird'? Smile

https://simpleflying.com/dc-3-operation/


My only flight on one was on Provincetown & Boston's, N136PB in the early 90's. At the time, it was the all-time, highest time (hours in flight), aircraft in the world.
https://www.airhistory.net/photo/5500/N136PB

I flew on it after riding the Amtrak Cape Codder seasonal train from New York to Hyannis. Flew from Hyannis to Boston, then took Amtrak back to NY. P&B managed to squeeze 28 seats into that bird, rather than the standard 21, but it was a very short flight across the Bay, so okay.

I remember looking out the window, and seeing lube oil spreading out on the engine nacelle, while we were taxiing to the runway. I brought it to the flight attendant's attention, and she said she would inform the First Officer.
She shortly returned, and told me the FO said it was okay...just normal for a DC-3. But to be sure to let them know if I saw the oil stop coming out...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHAT an experience------indeed NOT for the "faint-of-heart"! Shocked Ahhhh---the hale-and-hearty DC-3 (aka" the little plane that could"!) Wink Into the early 60s you could still see these two-prop classics at Newark Airport; as the bigger carriers sold the DC-3s off-quite a few were used to transport corporate officials and other upper-echelon business people (NJ-based "HONEYWELL" used a DC-3 to fly the "big shots" out of Newark through the 1950s)----think of all the "regional" carriers that were flying the hard-workin' "3s" long after they were retired by the front-line carriers; "BONANZA" flew these old stalwart workhorses into the 1960s until they ushered in the FAIRCHILD F-27A; EASTERN-interestingly enough-was still using the iconic "3s" on Florida shuttles-----well into the 1980s (indeed-----you just can't keep a good plane down!) Wink "NYO" (BTW: GREAT LINKS!) Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also: After the War the DC-4's quickly were replaced by the big carriers as the DC-6s began to enter the picture; they were-indeed-"below the par" so to speak-as the sleek new DC-6s began flying; recall the "4" the first was flown as an unpressurized craft in 1939---------the first "4s" to carry passengers did so in 1946; as newer piston airliners began flying-the "4s" were relegated to secondary runs-or sold to charter/cargo airlines; through the 1970s-the "4" was still to be found south-of-the-border-carrying both passengers and cargo (one ex-CAPITAL DC-4 was still flying in Brazil as late as 1985!) Shocked And-also worthy of note-there were also a few B-17s hauling cargo "way down south" into the 1980s! Shocked "BUILT TO LAST" indeed! Wink "NYO"
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
EASTERN-interestingly enough-was still using the iconic "3s" on Florida shuttles-----well into the 1980s



Wait...are you sure about that? That seems rather late... Shocked

Just looked at the Wiki article...said they retired theirs in 1957... Question
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
EASTERN-interestingly enough-was still using the iconic "3s" on Florida shuttles-----well into the 1980s



Wait...are you sure about that? That seems rather late... Shocked

Just looked at the Wiki article...said they retired theirs in 1957... Question
I had a VHS tape years ago "PROPS OF MIAMI" (purchased through a now-defunct airliner enthusiast club) about classic props and jets down Miami way (footage was all 1980s); there were a few good shots of EASTERN DC-3's (wearing the "hockey stick" paint job)-being worked on (planes were lettered "EASTERN SHUTTLE") Outside of this-your guess is as good as that of Your's Truly-----"NYO"

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