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PSNJ: the last years........
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

..........also, recall that PSNJ was the ONLY bus operator that served the Journal Square-area to have its own, private, off-street terminal (closed in 1974)

The terminal featured a covered bus-loading area, ticket offices, a waiting room, and, also, a number of shops.

There was also a taxi stand.

A wooden escalator also (until the old H&M/PATH station was demolished) connected the PS concourse with the H&M.

Until the 1940's, PS streetcars also used this terminal; the old rails were still visible into the 1990's (by this time, the former bus area was being used for commuter parking)

Today, the old terminal has long since vanished, and the former PS office building/showroom is now privately owned......

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In this nostalgic 1973 photo, we see PNJ/TNJ "first generation" Fishbowl R321, holding down a "#44 PARK AVE." run (there was also a "#44 BERGENLINE".

The old PS building is on the left; the driver has unloaded his passengers, and is ready to swing his bus around and into the terminal shed (out of sight to the right).

Remarkably, the old glass platform canopy and platform are still intact to this day, long after the terminal itself (and the entire surrounding business block) was razed.

Note, also, the GREYHOUND station across Sip Avenue........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154505

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a VERY rare 1940's color photo showing PS buses at the old "ALL-AMERICAN" bus terminal near the site of today's PABT.

Note the different paint schemes........

https://www.fotosearch.com/clt011/kr132201
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PSNJ's unique bus numbering.......

in 1947, PS began using a letter prefix before the fleet number, such as "A300".

This prefix defined each successive year in sequence, so that "B" stood for 1948 and "C" for 1949.

Interestingly, during 1950, no new buses were purchased, save for the prototype new-generation ASV, built by GM (D900)*

This was very unusual, as PS was buying new buses every year.

This one-of-a-kind demo, based on the 4509 which PS bought in large numbers; the "D" stood for 1950.

During this year (1950), PS took a "wait and see" attitude, to see what would be the results of the D900's testing.

The "D" prefix was then reserved for a miscellaneous or special category, hence the "D900".

There were, along the way, certain exceptions in this unique numbering system, but when the alpha character reached "Z" in 1968, the company reverted back "A", but now added the letter AFTER the number.

*After testing was completed, D900 (which never carried passengers under wire in revenue service) was sent back to Newark's PLANK ROAD shops, for conversion back into a straight diesel.

By 1960, this bus had been transferred to the HUDSON Division, and was based out of the GREENVILLE (Jersey City) garage until sometime around 1970.

D900, and a group of other retired Old Looks, were then shipped to Puerto Rico for further service.....

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly enough, after PS converted the ASV lines to diesel in the late 1940's, 20 YELLOW 729's were stripped of all ASV gear, renumbered, and then operated as "trippers" in gas-electric mode.

Another 20 ASV 729's were also stripped of their ASV equipment, and stored at PS's Passaic Wharf facility as an "emergency" fleet.

Sadly, they were never used again, and were later scrapped at Federal Salvage, where the rest of the ASV fleet was also scrapped.

The last surviving PS "standard" streetcars were also scrapped at this facility, from 1949 through the mid-1950's.......

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way back in 1925 (the Roarin' 20's era of flappers, bootleggers, jazz, and flappers), PS help to design and build over 300 gas buses*, most of which were equipped with gas-electric drives from GE and YELLOW.

This was also the largest bus order up to that time.

The gas-electric powertrain designed enabled bus drivers to run multi-stop local routes without having to shift gears.

This arrangement served as an early surrogate for the automatic transmissions that would arrive in later years.........

"NYO"

*(For many years, PS men referred to gas buses as "oilers"; later on, they used the term "juicebuggies" for the ASVs)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

......the 4509 was indeed a QUITE popular bus for PS, during the postwar years.

Hundreds of these once-commonplace buses were purchased from GM, over the years.

Some had front and rear doors, while others had only a single front door.

PS first purchased 4509's in 1948, when streetcars were still being operated on the HUDSON and ESSEX Divisions.

As a kid, I well remember the two-tone green 4509's running just up the block from us, on Summit Avenue, operating on the #16 and #17 lines.

Mom and I rode both lines quite often, back in the day....... Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....interestingly, I've read that a number of retired (PS) 4509's were shipped to Puerto Rico for further service (circa-early 1970's)

Many years back, an older (ex-PS) NJT driver I rode with every morning morning for quite a while, once told me he saw some ex-PS buses running in San Juan, during a visit......

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had PSNJ survived.........

Had PSNJ survived in its "original" form, and never morphed into "TNJ", is interesting to see what future buses might have loooked like (regarding paint schemes and insignias)

I DO enjoy imagining MCI's sporting the classic PS "wings" on the dash; I also enjoy picturing those boxy, humdrum NABIs also sporting "wings" up front', painted in a paint scheme that at least paid some homage to the handsome PS schemes of so many years ago.

It would have also been interesting to see how PS would have handled casino traffic, back when the casino era in Atlantic City was just beginning to take off.

Recall, PS even offered postcards (featuring 4104s and 4106s) touting their NYC-AC runs, via the Garden State Parkway, back in the 50's and 60's.

It would stand to reason, also, that PS would have also embraced the MCIs for suburban and "highway" services.

As NJT, for a time, a number of years back, also operated EAGLE coaches, it really is not that much a stretch of the imagination to picture the EAGLE as part of the PS fleet (that is, of course, had PS still survived "as it was", throughout the years.......

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is an excellent photo page on NJT; though most are "modern era" views, there are also some older photos, depicting now-retired equipment (both bus and rail)

There are also several photos of EAGLE coaches, for both NJT and SUBURBAN....... Wink

https://wallpapercave.com/nj-transit-wallpapers

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sidenote:

The EAGLE coaches purchased by NJT were purchased in 1989.

All were retired by 2002.........

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Had PSNJ survived.........

Had PSNJ survived in its "original" form, and never morphed into "TNJ", is interesting to see what future buses might have loooked like (regarding paint schemes and insignias)

I DO enjoy imagining MCI's sporting the classic PS "wings" on the dash; I also enjoy picturing those boxy, humdrum NABIs also sporting "wings" up front', painted in a paint scheme that at least paid some homage to the handsome PS schemes of so many years ago.

It would have also been interesting to see how PS would have handled casino traffic, back when the casino era in Atlantic City was just beginning to take off.

Recall, PS even offered postcards (featuring 4104s and 4106s) touting their NYC-AC runs, via the Garden State Parkway, back in the 50's and 60's.

It would stand to reason, also, that PS would have also embraced the MCIs for suburban and "highway" services.

As NJT, for a time, a number of years back, also operated EAGLE coaches, it really is not that much a stretch of the imagination to picture the EAGLE as part of the PS fleet (that is, of course, had PS still survived "as it was", throughout the years.......

"NYO"

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Public Service did operate Eagles in its last years, although they didn’t own any. They did this on the pool run they operated between New York City and Allentown, where they interchanged with Safeway Trails on to Reading, Lancaster, Baltimore, and Washington. Originally ran with GM 35 foot parlor coaches (4104’s and 4106’s), but when the 40 foot PD-4903 entered service, PS upgraded to those, and Safeway, which didn’t have any, started running Eagle’s on that pool.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

This was information I did not previously; thanks for taking the time to post here! Wink

Speaking of EAGLES, earlier, after consulting "THE BUS WORLD ENCYCLOPEDIA OF BUSES" (Stauss) I came across the following.......

"........most sales switched to wider Model 15, but some remained for the Model 10 to be used in East Coast tight spots, such as New York's Holland Tunnel......."

Was the reference to the Holland Tunnel an error? Did they mean the Lincoln Tunnel, or did TRAILWAYS also operate through the Holland Tunnel?

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earlier today, I also learned (online) that that most of the MC-7's that NJT rostered many years ago were purchased from GREYHOUND........

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver:

This was information I did not previously; thanks for taking the time to post here! Wink

Speaking of EAGLES, earlier, after consulting "THE BUS WORLD ENCYCLOPEDIA OF BUSES" (Stauss) I came across the following.......

"........most sales switched to wider Model 15, but some remained for the Model 10 to be used in East Coast tight spots, such as New York's Holland Tunnel......."

Was the reference to the Holland Tunnel an error? Did they mean the Lincoln Tunnel, or did TRAILWAYS also operate through the Holland Tunnel?

"NYO"

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Trailways stopped using the Holland Tunnel when the Lincoln Tunnel opened…long before any Eagles existed.
The narrower buses, the Model 10, and especially the new Model 20 were targeted towards NJT and other Jersey carriers, that did still use the Holland.
Besides NJT, Suburban Transit also operated Model 20’s…
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