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W.B. Fishbowl



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
At least the left-hand section of the roller sign box on retired Old Look (MaBSTOA) #3227 is indeed easily readable, and not relegated to a mere "slot".......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153835

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["42 WESTCHESTER AVE"]

Which had always been the case for FACCo, NYCO, and post-1956 FACL rolling stock - and all this before the iconic "sign box" fleet of both FACL and, as here, ST (ex 3027). Notice both the 1957 (7000 series) and '58 (9000 series) 'Tee-Yay' Old Looks had the "slots."
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Appreciate in info, as always.

Again, as with other aspects of bygone "Noo Yawk" buses, "side slot" signs were (AFAIK) not something that was seen here in "Joisey".

IMHO, I cannot see the logic of such miniscule signs; as was the case in later years with some variants of "flip dot"/electronic signs, these "slot" signs indeed had to be taxing to the average eye......

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comparing "Borough Bomber" front signs (roller curtain/electronic); I am guessing that the size of the font used on these MSBA buses was the largest used on city buses......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155088

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156580

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"ALL CAPS" (MSBA Fishbowl #844 (note, too, the stylized Fishbowls depicted on the bus stop signs).......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156570

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamaica Buses.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155796

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155800

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Hi-Tech" signage for this STEINWAY "Borough Bomber".......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153412

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Tee-Yay" Old Look #7166..............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154833

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Comparing "Borough Bomber" front signs (roller curtain/electronic); I am guessing that the size of the font used on these MSBA buses was the largest used on city buses......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155088

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156580

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Of the electronic, I'd give thumbs-up to the one on the "Borough Bomber" in the first pic cited.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Back in the 80's, when NJT was getting both re-conditioned "Bombers" from the "Em-Tee-Yay" as well as Flex Metros, I recall that on a bright, sunny day, these electronic signs were almost impossible to decipher; on overcast days, or at night, they were easily read.

Your's Truly, for many years, was quite friendly with a number of ACADEMY drivers (#22 HILLSIDE/BOULEVARD EAST) not one of them was a happy camper when ACADEMY decided to replace the HUGE font roller curtains with electronic signage.

Virtually all the drivers I knew had a lot of difficulty trying to remember the punch codes to display the route information (at the start of an inbound run, my "job" was to stand in front of the parked bus and then give a "thumbs up" to the driver when he had the correct reading up)

I (unofficially, of course), gave myself the title of "Official Sign Reading Designator" ("OSRD"} Wink

Man, it was a LOT of fun while it lasted (for my efforts, I was ALWAYS allowed to ride for free!) Very Happy

Too, I kept the mostly Latino drivers splitting their collective sides, when, on the inbound AM runs, they would request that I do my "Speedy Gonzalez" imitation for the other drivers, via the radio (I NEVER refused!) Laughing

Some of the older drivers would (quite honestly) be wheezing from laughing so hard! Laughing

Dang, it's all so long ago, now....

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's ACADEMY #3275 (Flex Metro) at Hoboken Terminal in the 1990's, some time after the roller curtains were replaced with new electronic signs (as you can see, the sign is not all that clear)

The 3200's were high-back seat buses, and were often assigned to the rush hour-only "BOULEVARD EAST" route; I commuted on these buses for a number of years.

The ACADEMY drivers I was friendly with often referred to the 3200's as "limousines" and "town cars"..... Wink

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156356

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlike NYC's "Em-Tee-Yay", Baltimore's "Em-Tee-Yay" once rostered RTS buses which were equipped with roller curtains.

Much has been written of how the riding public in Baltimore simply HATED these non a/c buses (ditto drivers); passengers regularly let an RTS go by in order to catch an older bus (Fishbowl or "Dangerfield") that, at least, were equipped with a/c, during those hot, humid Baltimore summers.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156802

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Jamaica Buses.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155796

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155800

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Q111 Farmers Blvd was one of two short turns on the Q111. The other was Rochdale Village. Flxible 210 is in the original paint scheme. I liked the scheme they repainted them into starting in late 1976. The all red didnt look that good on the flxibles.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiny Tim:

Thanks for sharing this info.

Here's a photo of one of the company's Flex New Looks (aka "Dangerfields") after being repainted into the new scheme.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153668

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In this chilly (and most refreshing!) wintertime scene from 1983, we see a JAMAICA "Dangerfield" New Look alongside an "Em-Tee-Yay" RTS.

A "Borough Bomber" (GRUMMAN) is also just edging into the photo......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156799

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["JAMAICA BUSES"]


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No "Dangerfields" ever were rostered by the BTC (Baltimore); these buses were purchased after the MTA took the reins.

All were a/c-equipped from the get-go.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156799

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