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The Cruise Ship Companies: What Is The Future?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....then, too, were the "combos", the passenger-cargo liners; these became popular in the early postwar era.

These type of vessels were by know means new, however; such ships, with a balance between passengers and freight, had indeed proven themselves in earlier periods.

For a number of years, "combo" ships were quite profitable; the passengers were usually carried in high-standard accommodations, and were one source of substantial revenue.

Several steamer firms, mainly British, French, and Dutch, built these ships well into the 1950's, because of their success and popularity.

By the 1960's, more modern cargo vessels with higher speeds snatched the cargo business, while the passenger trade was lost to the new jets.

In later days, many "combo" ships worked the "tramp" trade, and were often downgraded down to 12-passenger freighter rank.

By 1988, a mere handful of "combos" were still in service......

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an interesting page on the storied "tramps"*.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramp_trade

*(recall the tramp steamer "VENTURE" in 1933's "KING KONG" and "SON OF KONG", docked in Brooklyn)


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also of interest:

https://www.freightercruises.com/specialty_cruises.php

www.seaplus.com/bananas_tramps.html
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the 1960's, ships of "The Great White Fleet"* were still commonplace sights in and around NY Harbor.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company

*(Interesting to note, that, in later years, the company's ships were designed to also carry passengers)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/ufruit.shtml

www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/fruitindex.shtml
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cargo-carriers......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cargo_ship
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The history of "FARRELL LINES"........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farrell_Lines

At one time in decades past, this long-established "steamer" company operated "combo" ships (sisters "AFRICAN ENDEAVOR" and "AFRICAN ENTERPRISE") on the long-haul route between New York and South and East Africa.

These voyages averaged 65 days between New York and African ports; in New York, these ships docked in the Erie Basin (Brooklyn)......


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"AMERICAN PRESIDENT LINES":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_President_Lines

For many years, the company used a pier that was adjacent to the old ERIE ferry terminal at Pavonia Avenue, Jersey City.......
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting page on the historic "SS LANE VICTORY".......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Lane_Victory
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After WW2 and the Korean War, many former "Victory" ships were converted into freighters; some were rebuilt into passenger ships......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_ship
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recalling the now-defunct "BLUE STAR LINE" (this company was a British cargo-passenger operation (several interesting historical images are also on this page).......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Star_Line
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Liners" and "cruise ships".......

I would guess that only die-hard maritime historians/enthusiasts still use the eons-old terminology "liner" to describe and ocean-going passenger vessel (outside of CUNARD, what true "liners" still carry passengers these days, at least out of New York?

Whereas today's modern cruise ships sail for pleasure, the "liners" of decades ago sailed to a specific destination, and then, return.

To Your's Truly, a cruise ship IS indeed a "liner" (if only because it is a passenger-carrying vessel of massive proportions), even though its purpose is far removed from what the "ocean liners" of many years ago were designed for.....

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
"Liners" and "cruise ships".......

I would guess that only die-hard maritime historians/enthusiasts still use the eons-old terminology "liner" to describe and ocean-going passenger vessel (outside of CUNARD, what true "liners" still carry passengers these days, at least out of New York?

Whereas today's modern cruise ships sail for pleasure, the "liners" of decades ago sailed to a specific destination, and then, return.

To Your's Truly, a cruise ship IS indeed a "liner" (if only because it is a passenger-carrying vessel of massive proportions), even though its purpose is far removed from what the "ocean liners" of many years ago were designed for.....

"NYO"


Cunard likes to tout its maritime heritage in ads, and indeed aboard its ships. The Queen Mary 2, like the QE2 it replaced, was built as a "hybrid", part time ocean liner doing transatlantic crossing voyages about half the year, interspersed with various cruises. The ship is capable of 30 knots, although that capability is rarely utilized nowadays, except in medical emergencies, or to circumnavigate a severe storm. The other 'Queens' in Cunard's fleet are strictly cruise ships, despite what their ads may say....
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

As always, appreciate the input!Wink

Another huge difference betwen the "liners" of years past and today's cruise ships is that the old liners, crossing the North Atlantic, indeed needed enclosed promenades.

With modern cruise ships sailing to tropical ports, and much warmer climates, it's air-conditioning and spacious open areas that are now the rule of thumb.

Another interesting difference between the old liners and the modern cruise ships is their funnels; back in the day of STEAMships, the funnels had to be tall and be positioned over the boilers to ensure proper draft.

With today's diesel-powered cruise vessels, naval architects indeed have far more flexibility, and the most sensible place to put the exhaust ports is high up and towards the stern, so the products of combustion won't waft back onto the ship.......

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nowadays, with cruise ship superstructures looking like a "hyatt hotel on a barge", to maximize available space, the stacks are all but invisible.

The mega-cruise ship, Royal Caribbean's "Oasis of the Seas", had to be fitted with retractable stacks, to enable it to clear the Verrazzano Bridge to serve Cape Liberty, NJ.
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