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Now that the RTS is history.....what might be the new "
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The " X BUS", Junction Blvd & 62nd St., 1975:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155429

This modernistic "ancestor" of the RTS as we knew it was indeed quite futuristic for its day, especially when one considers that many private operators were still operating veteran Old Looks (and "AVENUE B & E. BROADWAY" were till running vintage MACKS!) Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though I just posted this RTS photo on the previous page, I wanted to post the link again, if only to draw attention the the variations between these two now-classic buses (rear views) seen here at Beach 44th, in 2006.

The point I'm making is that, to many non-transit buffs, each and every bus is the same, with no variants at all.

Indeed, how wrong these less-than-insightful fellows were, way back in the day! Rolling Eyes

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?48573

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
You are correct about the R-32's; these were the cars dubbed "Brightliners"; I always called th R-38's "The Great Pretenders"(AKA "Brightliner Wannabes" Wink

Indeed, the R-32's were the end of the line for Budd viz the 'Tee-Yay' (though they would build the early LIRR 'M' cars after the MTA took that over); St. Louis' R-38's (talk about "Brightliner Wannabes") had a combo of stainless steel, regular LAHT, and probably aluminum as well. (To show how sometimes confusion erupted among even some transit buffs, I once saw an early copy of Stan Fischler's Uptown, Downtown book which showed a pic of an R-38 where on the caption Budd was miscredited as builder {though my own copy corrected the credit to read St. Louis}; that very early book I saw at the library also mislisted one of the PATH PA-1 style cars' interior as the interior of the R-44's {that too was corrected on my copy of that book}.)

A side note: once the R-38's were retired, as well as the last of the Redbirds, the type font used for the numerals of subway cars on their exteriors, dating back to the first IND 'Arnines' as built in 1930, also disappeared from the scene. Yet another in the long story of those once commonplace turning to dust.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Recall, also, the 1960-era "Almond Joy" Market-Frankford elevated cars in Philadelphia, also built by BUDD.

I would imagine that the proposed lightweight cars for the Myrtle Avenue elevated (R-39?) might have been similar to the Philadelphia units.

Also coming to mind now are the BUDD "Zephyr" articulated rapid transit units, that were built for the BMT about 1934.

These cars (like the CLARK "Bluebirds" and the "Green Hornet/Blimp") were thought to be modern "saviours" of the Brooklyn elevated lines, then served by ancient wooden, open platform cars. Alas, Mayor LaGuardia wanted the Els gone (he was no fan of streetcars, either), so these unique lightweight units were gone by the 1950's (the "Green Hornet" was scrapped during WW2); the "Bluebirds" and the "Zephyrs" were usually found on the Franklin Avenue line, then a repository for old and "oddball" equipment......

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BMT "ZEPHYR".......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?46944

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?47735

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?46947

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.......mention must also be made of the BUDD R-11's (later rebuilt as R-34); this small fleet of cars were supposed to be the first in a large fleet that was to serve the Second Avenue Subway, then being planned at the time.

Note the porthole windows on the doors; the IRT R-15's (1950) also utilized porthole windows on end and side doors; the later R-16's and 17's, however, only used porthole windows on their storm doors.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24383

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2642

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, back to the RTS! Wink

"COMPARISONS"

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https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156347

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further "comparisons".......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155088

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Further "comparisons".......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155088

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No question. Of those 'newies', I preferred the Luminator LIDS IV electronic front sign of the Grumman to the TransDot on that RTS.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Further "comparisons".......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155088

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No question. Of those 'newies', I preferred the Luminator LIDS IV electronic front sign of the Grumman to the TransDot on that RTS.


W.B.:

I totally agree with you on this one; I've always been pretty partial to the "Luminator" signs; the TransDot I could live with, but vastly preferred the latter.......

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Further "comparisons".......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155088

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No question. Of those 'newies', I preferred the Luminator LIDS IV electronic front sign of the Grumman to the TransDot on that RTS.


W.B.:

See............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156280

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155648

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those RTS's with Luminator electronic signs couldn't have come soon enough . . .

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156303

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
Those RTS's with Luminator electronic signs couldn't have come soon enough . . .

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156303

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W.B.:

Hear! Hear!

BIG difference, IMHO! Wink

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