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The Cruise Ship Companies and the Virus......
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recall, also, from many decades ago back:

"ZIM LINES" (ISRAEL)

"GDYNIA-AMERICAN LINE" (POLAND)

"BALTIC AMERICAN LINE" (COPHENHAGEN)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From:

"GREAT CRUISE SHIPS AND OCEAN LINERS" (William H. Miller, Jr. ("The Working Ships").......

".....working ships were a breed of specialists. As passenger vessels, the often lacked the glamour and luster of the larger liners; accommodations were basically austere, and speeds were slower....."


"......with the advent of inexpensive charter jet flights, these ships eventually drifted into oblivion.

......there was, at one time, many crowded immigrant sailings to Australia......"

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few "working ships" (passenger/cargo)........

"ALCOA CAVALIER"

"GOTHIC"

"EXETER"

"SEVEN SEAS"
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

....in a novel I am reading, part of the story deals with a British family immigrating to Australia in 1947, sailing aboard the "ORANSAY", and then, in 1952, back to England, via the "ORMONDE".

Both ships left and arrived at the Tilsbury docks......

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
....in a novel I am reading, part of the story deals with a British family immigrating to Australia in 1947, sailing aboard the "ORANSAY", and then, in 1952, back to England, via the "ORMONDE".

Both ships left and arrived at the Tilsbury docks......

"NYO"


Those were both Orient Line ships, later merged into P&O.
Orient Line History...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient_Steam_Navigation_Company

Later cruise ship company that bought the name, but did not last...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient_Lines

The SS Ormonde:
http://ssmaritime.com/RMS-Ormonde.htm

The older SS Orinsay:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Oronsay_(1924)

The newer SS Orinsay:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Oronsay_(1950)

What is the name of the novel?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

GREAT links....thanks for sharing here! Wink

The novel I referred to is "THE SEVENTH SUNRISE" by British actress Judy Cornwell ("Daisy" in the old BBC series, "Keeping Up Appearances")

The story begins in 1920 and ends in 1968; the novel takes place (in various locations) in Africa, India, Egypt, and Great Britain.

Many incidents from her family history were used in the (fiction) novel; in her highly-entertaining autobiography, "ADVENTURES OF A JELLY BABY", Judy describes, in detail, her family's voyage to Australia in 1947, and back again to England in 1952.

This also reminds me now of the long-gone "boat trains" and "Night Ferry" services, once commonplace in Great Britain......

"NYO"

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Ferry
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

In "ADVENTURES OF A JELLY BABY", Judy Cornwell describes her traveling to Egypt for research for her novel (late 1980's); her trip, as you might expect, took many weeks, as she had to research many different areas for her book.

She also needed to find the locations of old RAF bases.

She flew from Heathrow to Cairo; from there, after doing research. she traveled by bus (coach) to Alexandria and back.

From Alexandria, she then boarded an overnight train to Aswan.

She then flew to Abu Simbel; back at Aswan, she boarded a ship traveling up the Nile to Luxor......

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Recalling the bustling days at many English ports, where "boat trains" to/from London connected with passenger ships; too, recall FRENCH LINE liners connecting with SNCF trains at Le Harve......

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fortunately, the major US and Canadian port cities can be directly accessed by large, ocean going ships. Hence, no need here for "boat trains"...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On second thought, one does come to mind. Although Orlando is not really a major port city, it is a huge hub for air passengers destined to the big theme parks nearby, and also for the cruise ships home ported at Port Canaveral.
Brightline will be soon running passenger trains to connect Orlando airport with the FEC mainline at Cocoa to serve those ships, via short shuttle bus rides. It would be prohibitively expensive to build across the Indian River to directly serve the port.

OTOH, Brightline is extending from Miami to the Dodge Island cruise ship terminals...

https://www.gobrightline.com/florida-expansion
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Always nice to hear some POSITIVE news, for a change! Wink

IMHO, I'm sure that anything connected with Disney, when better days come, will certainly be QUITE busy! Wink

Recall, also, the long-gone auto ferries (which were more like "condensed" liners), that once ferried autos between Florida and Cuba.......

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes...I do recall. They ran until 1961, when the total embargo and travel ban went into effect. They almost made a comeback, when relations eased under the Obama administration, but that opportunity passed, at least for a while.

At one time, you could buy a thru bus ticket from Greyhound in New York, all the way to Havana, and on to the entire island of Cuba via Key West. Vintage Greyhound timetables included the ferries, as well as a condensed time table of major Cuban connections.

There were ferries and small cruise ships offering service from various ports in Florida.

https://www.cruiselinehistory.com/cruise-history-cruise-from-miami-to-havana-cuba-for-4200-per-person-aboard-the-ss-florida/

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/maritime-history-notes-the-cuban-rail-ferries

http://www.palmbeachpast.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/map_ferry.jpg
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Though I've seen these pages before, they are all MORE than worth another look.....thanks for posting! Wink

Earlier today on 1010 WINS, I heard that cruise line stocks are beginning to rise again, in anticipation of a post-COVD boom......let's home this comes to pass! Wink

It is going to be a MASSIVE undertaking, most certainly, to get the ships of many carriers "back in shape", when things FINALLY start to rebound, and begin a return to normalcy........what ships will be retained....which will be rebuilt.....or retired......

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my files:

https://howstuffworks.com/cruise-ship.htm
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