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The Cruise Ship Companies: What Is The Future?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More history......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Light
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_New_York_Bay

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aids_to_Navigation_Boat
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is remarkable to me, is that it takes seven years for someone to become a fully qualified Sandy Hook Pilot...as long as it takes a person to become a lawyer!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver wrote:
What is remarkable to me, is that it takes seven years for someone to become a fully qualified Sandy Hook Pilot...as long as it takes a person to become a lawyer!


traildriver:

Good observation!

The length of time it takes to become a Sandy Hook pilot, in truth, doesn't really seem all that "lengthy", when one takes into consideration the intense studying involved, for a career in which "second guessing" is NOT an option, when on the job!

It truly takes a "level head" for this line of work......Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intense study required to be a professional in these areas......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_radar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_radar_plotting_aid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-search_radar
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marine radar overview......

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/marine-radar
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an in-depth, technical (and QUITE complex!) page, with a number of illustrations and charts, dedicated to harbor beacons, buoys, and markers.......

https://www.sailingissues.com/navcourse9.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While on the subject of marine radar, it is interesting to remember that the first ferryboats equipped with radar in New York Harbor were the three boats of the Staten Island Ferry's "MERRELL" class, which entered service in 1950/1951 (these ferries also had the distinction of being the last steam ferries to operate in NY Harbor, being retired in the early 1980's)

The boats of the 69th Street-St. George line also were equipped with radar.

When the CRRNJ updated its fleet of turn-of-the-century ferryboats in the mid-1950's, they also installed radar on the boats.

This gave the CRRNJ the distinction of being the only railroad that operated trans-Hudson ferries to equip its fleet with radar.......

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an interesting page(s)........

https://howstuffworks.com/cruise-ship.htm
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

......during my recent phone/internet outage, I heard on 1010 WINS that there will be no Canadian cruises sailing until at least 2022.......would have been nice to hear at least a little good news, regarding that battered cruise industry..... Sad

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And several other countries are banning large cruise ships, as well. It does look bleak for the industry, for the rest of the year.
One of the consquences of the Canadian ban, is that without the ability to have at least one port of call there, on Alaskan or New England/Canada US cruises, they are banned by foreign registered cruise ships, which constitute all of the large cruise ships (except the US registered NCL Pride of America, which does Hawaiian only cruises) due to the cabotage laws under the Passenger Vessel Services Act.

So even if the US CDC does allow cruising to resume later this year, it will only be smaller than 100 passenger ships able to do those itinerary's...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One bright spot in cruise industry news, is this amazing story..
Could be a harbinger of "fair winds and following seas", for the industry, due to pent-up demand...

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24340-cruise-demand-surges-as-oceania-world-cruise-sells-out-in-a-day.html
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Appreciate the link; thanks for posting here.......that was AT LEAST, a BIT of positive news on the cruise front (on a related note, I guess the cruise you were booked on for this year is a no-go) Sad

My head literally spins when I think of how the cruise industry is reeling aand rocking these days.........one can only wonder IF the industry will EVER recover to ANYWHERE near normal, in the future.....

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like my July cruise will not go, but I am still waiting for the cruise line to make it 'official'...

The advanced deposits required to hold a spot on that 2023 Around The World cruise, will go a long way to paying current bills for NCLH.

As for the industry, when times return to normal, the pent up demand will quickly fill cruises. The problem for many lines, is the ability to survive without any revenue, long enough for that to happen. Getting advance deposits is one way. Selling off older, less efficient, and high maintenance ships, is another.
But there will definitely be a "shaking out" period, where some lines will succumb, and only the fittest will survive. Being part of a diversified large corporation with deep pockets will also help...think Disney Cruise Lines, for example...

Or MSC Cruises, which is owned by the same family that also owns one of the largest containership fleets...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Indeed, it WILL be the "survival of the fittest", when things start to get back to some semblence of "normal".

I'm mostly thinking of the tremendous amount of work that will require armies of men to clean, disinfect, and repair the fleets of ships now idle, stranded at various ports around the globe, for too long now.

Am just now recalling the tramp steamers of another era..........

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