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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 22792 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Going back to "THE HONEYMOONERS":
I have one of the "Honeymooners" publicity photos framed, with Ralph behind the wheel of #2969, with Alice, Norton, and Trixie waving from the windows.
I STILL wonder, at least for these publicity photos, why #2629 was not lettered for the "GOTHAM BUS COMPANY"; after all, THAT was the company that Ralph drove for in the show.......
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2438 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Going back to "THE HONEYMOONERS":
I have one of the "Honeymooners" publicity photos framed, with Ralph behind the wheel of #2629, with Alice, Norton, and Trixie waving from the windows.
I STILL wonder, at least for these publicity photos, why #2629 was not lettered for the "GOTHAM BUS COMPANY"; after all, THAT was the company that Ralph drove for in the show.......
"NYO" |
#2969, but . . . if that photo had been taken a year later, it would have been lettered 'FIFTH AVENUE COACH LINES INC.' on the sides.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
That's right.
I have to wonder, though, how many die-hard "Honeymoonies" would still refer to a Madison Avenue bus route as one operated by the "GOTHAM BUS COMPANY"; I have a CORGI Old Look that is lettered "MADISON AVENUE COACH COMPANY"
The front roller curtain reads:"4th & MADISON AV." (white text on black)/"PARK ROW & B'WAY VIA 42nd ST." (white text on red)
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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An interesting note:
There was also, back in 1955, a large tin toy "JACKIE GLEASON BUS" ("HONEYMOONERS SPECIAL")was in the stores, that was manufactured by Wolverine; this toy company also used this same basic "shell" to simulate other types of buses (which I am lucky enough to own!)
The beautiful lithography included "Ralph" at the wheel, and the destination sign reading "AWA-A-Y WE GO BUS"; the license plate reads "POW!"
This RARE toy bus, WHEN you can find one today, is VERY pricey (even if it is deplorable shape); as this toy appeals to both bus collectors and "Honeymooners" collectors, the price for this rare and colorful toy bus will never be within the reach of the "average" collector.
I still dream of somehow getting my hands on one of the handsome toy buses, today........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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One has to wonder just how many "HONEYMOONERS" publicity shots were actually taken, using #2629 (perhaps, some that we have not seen, to date).......
There is one seldom seen publicity photo on the bottom of page #117 of "THE HONEYMOONERS' COMPANION" (McCrohan)
Ralph is seen leaning out of his driver's window, not looking at all pleased, as a cop writes him a ticket.
I'm guessing that the publicity photos that were taken were all taken on the same day; there is another one that I really like (I misplaced mine long ago) showing a angry-looking Ralph with his arm stretched out his window, trying to retrieve his lunch from Alice, that he obviously had left at home, before heading to work........
"NYO"
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frankie
Age: 77 Joined: 01 Feb 2011 Posts: 748 Location: St. Peters, Mo.
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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It's all bogus! The actual bus used for the Honeymooners is a common model and a working bus could have been sought by the NYCTA for it's museum collection specifically for it's Honeymooners bus.
Why did they have to take the only surviving rare TDH-5101 and converted it when historically it should have been kept in it's iconic livery during it's revenue days?
Frankie
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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frankie wrote: | It's all bogus! The actual bus used for the Honeymooners is a common model and a working bus could have been sought by the NYCTA for it's museum collection specifically for it's Honeymooners bus.
Why did they have to take the only surviving rare TDH-5101 and converted it when historically it should have been kept in it's iconic livery during it's revenue days?
Frankie |
Frankie:
I wish I could answer your question!
As I had mentioned to our good friend W.B. in this thread, the one thing that always puzzled me was that the actual "Honeymooners" bus was NOT lettered for the "GOTHAM BUS COMPANY", which, of course, was the fictitious New York bus company Ralph drove for (did the publicists think that, perhaps, the "MADISON AVENUE BUS COMPANY" was a subsidiary of the "GBC"??)
Certainly, if that bus was lettered for the "GOTHAM" (and remained so, even in its later years), the bus would have been indeed a "celebrity" in its own right, with folks eager to hop aboard the famous "bus that Ralph Kramden drove".
At LEAST, there is the ersatz "Honeymooners" bus, as well as a statue of Ralph in front of the PABT, and, of course, a garage/depot named in honor of him....
"NYO"
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frankie
Age: 77 Joined: 01 Feb 2011 Posts: 748 Location: St. Peters, Mo.
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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We're familiar with the driver's side of the bus featuring the cast members at the windows. This is the same bus, but showing the destination that is absent from the driver's side.
Photo credit as shown.
Frankie
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frankie
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 22792 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Frankie:
The picture you posted, showing Ralph by the front door, is one that I have framed, except that it is "cropped", and does not show as much of the bus as is seen in your photo....THANKS for posting this!
(note, too, the OPPY ("Subway Sun" artist!) sign "fumble while they grumble" displayed in the window (METROCARDS were still light-years into the future, back in those days!)
Also, MANY THANKS for posting the photo of the tin "Jackie Gleason" bus; this is the FIRST photo I've seen showing not only the driver's side, but also, the box!
Man, what a PRIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks again!
"NYO"
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MaBSTOA 15
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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The REAL driver of 2629 with Jackie.
Note the NYCO badge on the driver's hat.
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MaBSTOA 15
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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MaBSTOA 15
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MaBSTOA 15
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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MaBSTOA 15:
"HOW SWEET IT IS!!"
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the FIRST time I've ever seen "Ralph" with #2629's actual driver; those were indeed the days when BUS DRIVERS still looked every inch the part (and BUSES still looked like BUSES!)
I also greatly enjoyed one of the photos showing Alice handing Ralph his lunch; this was one I had not seen previously!
I have no doubt that #2629's driver became a "celebrity" of sorts at his garage, when his bus driver pals saw the photo of him and "Ralph"!
Even though "THE HONEYMOONERS" was a popular show during its original run; I doubt that anyone back then (neither the cast nor the virewers) could have ever forseen the day when the show would garner "cult classic" status, and boast many legions of die-hard, dedicated fans (such as Your's Truly!)
As our friend W.B. and I had commented on earlier, imagine during the run of the "color" Honeymooners (1966-1970), that the cast came into New York for publicity photos, this time using a MaBSTOA Fishbowl!
Man, imagine Ralph" behind the wheel of a batwing Fishbowl??
When Gleason donned his bus driver's uniform, he really had the "look" of the bus drivers of that era, and easily could have passed for an "average, everyday driver" on any route in the city.
"Gee, that bus driver I had this morning coming into work looked just like Jackie Gleason!"
Again, MANY THANKS for these AWESOME photos!
"HOW SWEET IT IS!"
"NYO"
BTW:
That wonderfully innocent and nostalgic "BRIGHTEN YOUR DAY WITH COURTESY" Oppy sign (seen where Ralph and #2629's driver are having lunch together) should be displayed today in ALL New York buses AND subway cars (sadly, I doubt it would make too much of a difference, these days)
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