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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"TRIFECTA!", MUNI-style!! Very Happy

Man, talk about a CLASSIC line-up!!!! Very Happy

NO WONDER our hobby was so interesting and so much fun, back in the day! Wink

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3912

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the "Noo Yawk" area, TRIBORO was another company that once rostered the tough-looking (yet stylishly handsome) WHITE 798.

Like the MACKS, these buses seemed to have a bit of an arrogant "swagger" to them, as they rumbled and snorted along the streets (at least, that's how it always seemed to me!) Wink

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1323

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1324

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed from old pics that both FACCo and NYCO had a few Whites on the road starting in the late 1930's, alongside the Yellows which were their usual fleet.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
I noticed from old pics that both FACCo and NYCO had a few Whites on the road starting in the late 1930's, alongside the Yellows which were their usual fleet.


W.B.:

Pictures of FACCo. WHITES are virtually non-existent.

In fact, I never knew that company even operated them until I first read the Ogden book.

There are but two photos of postwar WHITES in the book, which later were sold to Memphis in 1960............

'NYO"


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Pictures of FACCo. WHITES are virtually non-existent.

In fact, I never knew that company even operated them until I first read the Ogden book.

Hmm. Must've been as rare as their subsequent Fishbowls, judging from how Ogden framed his book . . .
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Pictures of FACCo. WHITES are virtually non-existent.

In fact, I never knew that company even operated them until I first read the Ogden book.

Hmm. Must've been as rare as their subsequent Fishbowls, judging from how Ogden framed his book . . .


W.B.:

Agreed 100%!

According to Ogden, FACCo. rostered five WHITE 1150's, used on the Jackson Heights line.

There were WHITE 798's (#'s 600-634) on Staten Island (originally, these buses operated for ISLE TRANSPORTATION CORPORATION, a short-lived outfit that took over STATEN ISLAND COACH)

In the City fleet, these buses remained on Staten Island until they were retired......

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "World's Greatest Interurban", the PACIFIC ELECTRIC, also operated a large number of busesfrom several builders, including YELLOW, GM, and WHITE.

In the background of this classic 1940's PE photo, we see a sharp-looking WHITE 798 (looking particularly smart with those stylish PE wings!) as well as a FORD, wearing NCL's "fruit salad" colors...........

http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/pe/htm/pe096.htm

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

White bus operators in New York...

(All 600 models were forward control buses; Indianas were small forward control buses built by Indiana Truck Company merged with White)

Manhattan:

New York City Omnibus
model 788 (demo - sold to Triboro Coach)

Fifth Avenue Coach
model 788 (demo)
model 1150 (five buses - 96' wide with fluorescent interior lights)

(All model 1150 built were 102' wide except FACCo's & all had Cummins diesel engines)

Surface Transportation
model 684 - transferred to Westchester Street Transportation
model 788 - demo
model 1144 - demo fleet # W50

B&O Train Connection
model 684
model 1136

Queens:

Triboro Coach
model 16 (Indiana)
model 684
model 686
model 788 (plus one ex-NYCO)

Green Bus Lines
model 16 (Indiana)
model 684

Jamaica Buses
model 788 (ex-Triboro)

North Shore
model 684
model 687

Staten Island:

Tompkins Bus
model 684
model 687

Staten Island/Isle Transportation/ NY BoT
model 798

New Jersey:

Red and Tan
model 706
model 782
model 788
model 798
model 7788 (over-the-road version of model 788)

Inter City
model 782
model 788
model 798
model 1144

By the way, Jamaica Omnibus in Kingston, Jamaica had White buses that were right hand controlled with door entrance on the left side... talk about a classic!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15:

Thanks for taking the time to post this in-depth detailed (and most informative) listing; NORTH HUDSON BOULEVARD LINES (which ran right by our old Union City apartment house when I was growing up) also rostered some WHITES; there were 798's and, if I'm correct with the model, 1144's)

Note, also, DE CAMP also operated WHITE 798's in the late 1950's; these buses were originally operated by the long-defunct "ATLANTIC TRANSPORTATION" ( the "GARDEN STATE LINES") when DE CAMP took over the Nutley-New York line (Route #32)

This line was sold to DE CAMP in 1953, and with this new route came to the stylish DE CAMP fleet both WHITE 798's and ACF-BRILL C-44's (DE CAMP already was operating BRILLS at this time).......

"NYO"

(source for "GARDEN STATE LINES/DE CAMP information: "MOTOR COACH AGE")
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Footnote on WHITES in general.......

Recall, also, the air-conditioned WHITES that ran in Dallas into the 1960's; I've seen several photos of these unusual and distinctive buses (one of these bus is seen next to JFK's open limo on that fateful day in 1963, just minutes before those fatal shots were fired) I think these photos might have been posted somewhere on this board awhile ago, but am not sure.

Into the 1960's, the CTA also operated WHITE 798's (these buses were originally CSL coaches)

KEY SYSTEM also operated WHITE 798's, as did PE and MUNI (a few photos are included in this topic, which I posted links to recently)

Washington, DC, was another city which used WHITES as part of their fleet.

Sadly, few WHITES survive today......

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bus in the JFK photo is not a White but a Southern Coach with aftermarket a/c.

The second photo is of a Dallas Transit White model 1144



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inter City White model 1144 Suburban

Bee Line White model 798 produced during the war, note the "ribbed" metal sides.



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Washington, D.C. and their White buses

a) DC Transit lot, White model 788 and 1150
b) DC Transit White model 144
c) DC Transit White model 1150



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15:

Just when I thought it was safe to say that you could not POSSIBLY outdo yourself, you prove me WRONG (again!!!!)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Thanks, also, for the correction regarding the bus in the JFK picture!

Those INTER-CITY buses....HOLY SMOKES, what great memories they brought back!!!! Very Happy Very Happy

I well remember WHITES, ACF-BRILLS, and Old Looks (INTER-CITY) running on the #97 JSQ-PATERSON line, which, like the NHBL buses, which also ran by our old union City apartment house, well over 50 years ago.

And, yes, Mom and I rode them! Very Happy

Also, love the color photo of the DC TRANSIT bus; a good wash would have made that old workhorse look right sharp again! Wink

THANK YOU, once again, for taking the time to share these AWESOME old bus photos............ Very Happy

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious......

Do any RTS buses still reside on MTA property, or have all been since been removed?

I personally wish that at least a few would be spared the torch (heading for retirement at some museum), but, given the way things usually go these days, I'm not all that optimistic.....

"NYO"
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