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There's more to a picture than meets the eye.....
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W.B. Fishbowl



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
It's funny, but any time I've seen an old color photo of a SURFACE bus, I've long thought the same thing: the red/black designations always made think of the "reverse" of what FACCo. used on its signs.

And that may be the key as to why one picture from 1963 of a #4 bus to Penn Station had the route number on the right rather than left - from the point MaBSTOA took over the FACCo, NYCO and ST routes in '62 to late September '63 #4 was based out of a Surface depot (Kingsbridge), not to return to its old stomping grounds of 132nd until Sept. 29, 1963.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

While on this subject, I wish the photo of one of SURFACE's last new buses, #3034 (TDH-5106) seen on page #50 of Guy E. Martin's "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT BUSES" was in color

Even in b/w, the "color reversal" used on the destination sign is clearly vivid.

How and why the red/black of FACCo's signs was reversed on SURFACE buses does make for some interesting "why and wherefors".........

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See:

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1551

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1552

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triboro Coach also had the route in red and final destination in black.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately there is no textbook available on New York City bus destination signs.

However, there is an excellent series called “New York City Subway Roll Signs” so far they have two volumes out. It is written by Gregory Gil and Louis Guadagni.

You can also check their website at www.goodstuffnowllc.com
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15 wrote:
Unfortunately there is no textbook available on New York City bus destination signs.

However, there is an excellent series called “New York City Subway Roll Signs” so far they have two volumes out. It is written by Gregory Gil and Louis Guadagni.

You can also check their website at www.goodstuffnowllc.com


Thanks! Very Happy

Loving the old subway equipment as I do, I know I'll enjoy this! Wink

Those I have in my collection today are, not surprisingly, indeed greatly valued by Your's Truly, and bring back a lot of great memories of "riding the rails" 'neath the bustling streets of "Noo Yawk".......... Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15 wrote:
Triboro Coach also had the route in red and final destination in black.


See the following:

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2274

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2276

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going back to the days of TRIBORO Old Looks and WHITES......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1324

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1328

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOT your "average" MaBSTOA buses......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2770

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2772

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laying over at the old Hudson River piers.......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?966

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?971

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
https://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2772

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Le'me guess . . . the batwing behind displaying the Gloria Vanderbilt ad was picked because of her recent death . . . ? Question
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
https://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2772

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Le'me guess . . . the batwing behind displaying the Gloria Vanderbilt ad was picked because of her recent death . . . ? Question


I had not paid the slightest attention to the ad itself (may Gloria RIP); what I DID notice about the batwing ad was that the ad also covered the former driver's side sign box.

I always regretted that the "center" side sign boxes fell out of favor; they always reminded me of the large center side signs once used on many center entrance streetcars.......

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

#8728 "on the job", 1982.

Note that the front roller curtain is not correctly set; also, note the blue sign over the rear doors*......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1308

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(*also note that the "7" is missing from the side number)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
I always regretted that the "center" side sign boxes fell out of favor; they always reminded me of the large center side signs once used on many center entrance streetcars.......

The current exhibit on the evolution of signs at the Transit Museum Annex at Grand Central Station had a "spliced" section of an old 'batwing' side sign I did not see in any pics - a dark blue covered M16 designation with 'Water-' on one line and 'side' on the line directly below, dating to about 1974. That and the M41 Culture Loop were the only 'new' portions of batwing-oriented signs I'd ever seen.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

I sure wish, back in the day when such transit collectibles were still fairly reasonable in price, that I could have nabbed at least ONE rear door "batwing" roller sign w/box........oh, well, I can always dream....... Rolling Eyes

"NYO"
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