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The last "BUS-O-RAMA" (batwing) ad racks
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B53RICH




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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another discrepancy with 8466 is the OA logo, the colors are reversed.
I also have Guy E. Martins book and noticed the errors. Some models were repeated in the photos while others were left out such as the NYCTA non AC new look Flxibles.

After the last time the Grumman's were removed from service, some of the 8000 series buses were taken out of retirement storage and returned for a short while with the batwing ads racks removed.
As seen below 8041 on the B41 in service without batwings. Photo credit to Doug Grotjahn posted on the TTMG.Org website.

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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fellows:

I, in all honesty, am truly in great awe of your tremendous wealth of knowledge, regarding bygone New York buses and their operations; it truly amazes me, since it is quite clear that you gents are virtually walking encyclopedias on the subject! Shocked

Your in-depth input, and wonderful old photos have truly made this topic a detailed and most fascinating one!

Again, my thanks to you both for all of your outstanding contributions to this thread....... Wink

"NYO"
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MaBSTOA 15



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the "OA" emblem that was placed on the batwings. As you can see it was a metal circle not a decal on the actual anodized "wing"

You can see the colors that B53RICH referred to in his post



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These photos show the mechanism how the drivers changed the side signs.

To the left of the driver between the door control handle and engine start button were two toggle switches. One controlled the up & down curtain movement (street side) the other was the master switch.

On the rear door mechanism housing were two buttons that controlled the up/down curtain movement on the curb side.

The master switch had to be set to "off" once the signs were moved. This prevented any unwanted sign change.

These photos are from the Operating Manual issued to OA and TA drivers for these buses. The first time I saw this book was on the coin tray of an M104 I took in Times Square on the way to the UN. I knew I wanted that booklet... finally got it 40+ years later from EBay.

IMHO these buses were the best buses in the fleet.



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These two are also from the operating manual.

This is the actual appearance of the interior of the buses far from the current seating arrangement found in the preserved 8466.

Item #14 is a "Parking Lot heating connector" this was found on NYCTA buses only, fleet numbers 8001-8201, since they had a larger number of open air storage yards.

The only other difference between the "OA" and "TA" buses were the hard plastic seats. The OA were chiffon green and the TA had light grey seats.



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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OUTSTANDING IMAGES......'nuff said!! Very Happy

Thanks for sharing these fascinating old pics......... Wink

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first 'dual order' for GM of TA and OA buses since 1963 when OA 3301-3555 and TA 3601-3950 were built; and the second altogether (after the 1965 GM buses for OA and Flxible buses for TA) to have the rear windows built as 4-piece.

Every so often on eBay a maintenance manual for the 1964-65 group (5201-5525, contract #MB-15-OA) turns up, would anyone around here be in possession of the 1965 operation or maintenance manual for the 6401-6900 group (contract #MB-16-OA) and whether it would be shown in their illustrations as non-batwing or batwing?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just found this on EBay... Chicago Transit Authority


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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOVE that CTA New Look!!!!!!!!!!! Very Happy Very Happy

You certainly do not see all that many "batwing" photos from the "Windy City"........ Shocked

Thanks for posting........ Wink

"NYO"
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