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How to "fan" today's NYC subway ?
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traildriver




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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly were those "Identra hoops" you mentioned...
Some kind of early RFI device?

I do recall seeing them on those 7 Line cars, but never knew just what they were for....
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver wrote:
What exactly were those "Identra hoops" you mentioned...
Some kind of early RFI device?

I do recall seeing them on those 7 Line cars, but never knew just what they were for....


traildriver:

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRT_Flushing_Line

("INDENTRA" use began on the #7 in 1957)

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vintage and current views showing "INDENTRA" hoops on SEPTA Broad St. Subway cars.......

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?48810

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?17082

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting page on subway signals, past and present.

Scroll down page to the link on the "IDENTRA" system......

http://www.thejoekorner.com/out-the-front/signals.htm

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks, NYO for those links...clears up the 'mystery' of those distinctive loops, unique to the Flushing Line, at least in NYC...
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver wrote:
Many thanks, NYO for those links...clears up the 'mystery' of those distinctive loops, unique to the Flushing Line, at least in NYC...


traildriver:

You are quite welcome.....my pleasure! Wink

It is interesting indeed that only the #7 used "INDENTRA" hoops; perhaps it might have been an experiment that might have, eventually, been installed on the IRT "main lines".

Being that the #7 was (and still is) almost totally isolated in its connections to the "main line" IRT routes, perhaps the #7 line was a "test bed", so to speak, to see whether or not the "INDENTRA" system would work on the IRT "main lines".....just a guess, here........

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A classic "Bluebirds" photo at Corona; going by the vintage autos in the picture, this would appear to be the late 1960's.

An "INDENTRA" hoop can just BARELY be seen on the lead car, closest to the camera......

http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/irt01.htm

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An old view at Corona showing an R-12 sporting an "INDENTRA" hoop.......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?128578

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

R-15's in service during the "INDENTRA" era on the #7 (1962)...................

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?12909

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing that I loved about those R-14 and R-15's were the single seats behind each cab. In later design's, the doors were offset on each side of the car, and resulted in double seats at those location's...
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver wrote:
One thing that I loved about those R-14 and R-15's were the single seats behind each cab. In later design's, the doors were offset on each side of the car, and resulted in double seats at those location's...


traildriver:

I WELL recall those single seats! Wink

Back in the 60's, Mom and I rode those cars on the old BG shuttle, when they had replaced the veteran Lo-V's (1964)

I commuted on them many times on the 7th Avenue expresses back in the early 80's; I used to inwardly smile, thinking that these ancient cars pre-dated both "I LOVE LUCY" and "THE HONEYMOONERS"! Shocked

The Brooklyn Dodgers (Duke Snyder, Pee Wee Reese, Jackie Robinson, et al) still called Brooklyn home, when these now-historic cars made their debut in the late 1940's.....and trolleys were still operating over the Brooklyn Bridge.......a long, long, time ago......

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vintage interior views (R-12's/14's)........

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2838

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2749

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2733

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2793

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elderly wooden El equipment, BMT Standards, and a B&QT PCC dashing along below.......aaahh, take me back to Olde Brooklyn......... Rolling Eyes

http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/bqt130.htm

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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Vintage interior views (R-12's/14's)........

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2838

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2749

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2733

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2793

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)


Interesting! That third link shows what look like "after-market" installed "straps" on that car....
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Yes, I well recall those small straphangers/ hand grabs during the early 80's; the R-15's also were re-equipped with them, to my recollection.

Interestingly, the R-12's were the only IRT cars delivered new WITHOUT the traditional straphangers; not surprisingly, all new IRT SMEE cars (starting with the R-17's, through to the R-33/36) were equipped with straps........

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