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Any info on this cardboard SI bus sign?

 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:36 am    Post subject: Any info on this cardboard SI bus sign? Reply with quote

All:

Just received (from an eBay dealer) an old cardboard New York City bus sign, stenciled on one side, on what appears to have been a car card ad on one side.

On the blank side, it reads:

S-117 TO

ST. GEORGE FERRY

On the reverse side, there is an ad for Dave Brubeck performing with the NY Pro Arte Chamber Orchestra (Dec. 10th)

Concert took place at the Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church (5th at 55th)

Anyone have any info on this sign, and possibly supply the year this sign dates to?

I am guessing that this was some sort of "temporary" sign, displayed in the windshield of a bus that was not usually assigned to that particular route/depot......of course, I can only guess.

Thanks in advance.....

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think such a sign may be called a "tumbler card".
I was fortunate enough to get a photocopy of the March 1973 issue of Motor Coach Age, which gave an in-depth coverage of the history of Staten Island buss routes, written by Bernard Linder. (You can buy a copy from the Staten Island Museum; www.StatenIslandMuseum.org). The "117-New Dorp Beach" was shown as having started in either 1922 or 1926 by New Dorp Beach Bus Service. The original route ran from 5th and Rose Avenues to Neutral & Cedar Grove Avenues. The route was abandoned on Sept. 20, 1937, then was operated by Children's Bus Service until Dec. 12, 1937, at which time it was taken over by Staten Island Coach Co. During that timeframe, Staten Island Coach was operating a fleet of ACF Model H-12-S, H-13-S, H-15-S and H-17-S transit buses, as well as some Yellow 728's. Some White 684's acquired from Tompkins Bus Co. also may have been used.At some later time, the route was extended all the way to St. George Terminal. Isle Transportation took the route in 1946, but all Staten Island bus lines were acquired by the NYC Board of Transportation on Feb. 23, 1947. By mid-1949, a fleet of Mack C-45-GT's and GM TDH-5101's. In 1950, the 117 was operated out of the then-new Castleton Depot. Some Mack C-50-DT's were assigned to Castleton when they were new. By 1956, a fleet of air-ride Mack C-49-DT's assumed much of the service on Staten Island. The C-50-DT's left the island in 1960. New Looks arrived in 1964 when the Verrazano Narrows Bridge opened to traffic. All Macks were gone by 1969, replaced by GM TDH-5106's. Today's S76/S86 still covers most of the route of the old R-117.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a bit more on the R-117.
In later years, the 117 apparently was combined with2 other nearby routes serving the South Shore of Staten Island; it was then called "R-108/113/117".
In his book NYC Transit System Bus & Trolley Coach Fleet Jim Greller showed an NYCTA bus assignment sheet dated June 1960. It showed the R-108/113/117 was assigned 19 buses making 292 daily trips, making it the #4 busiest route, behind R-2 (Bay St.), R-6 (Victory Blvd.), and R-107 (Forest Ave.).
Greller's book also presented an NYCTA roster from sometime in 1958, which showed 35 gas-powered White Model 684 transits (NYCTA 600-634) that had been acquired from Isle Transportation Corp. in 1947. These buses probably never made it out of Staten Island and likely stayed there until NYCTA got rid of them. By that late date, gas powered buses likely were unwelcome in a mostly diesel powered fleet.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fast forward to today, and the S-76 still operates out of CAS.
It runs from St. George Terminal to Mill Rd. and Delwit Ave. in New Dorp daily, but there is no service between midnight and 6 or 7 AM.
Now the line is operated with either Orion VII EPA 10 3G diesels (a 90-bus fleet that today is limited solely to CAS) or Nova LFS 40-foot diesels.
Rush hour limited-stop service runs as S-86 Ltd. but only from 4:00 PM-5:30 PM weekdays, and only in the direction of New Dorp.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 1969 Staten Island Bus map and the S.I. Bus route history from that March 1973 issue of Motor Coach Age (pdf) -

https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/825a26c4-e7ab-438b-9d53-aeecd8bbdc5c
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good; thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYO: Is it possible for you to supply a photo of the sign for us to see? Thank you.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankie wrote:
NYO: Is it possible for you to supply a photo of the sign for us to see? Thank you.


frankie:

If I had a scanner, I would do so gladly; lacking a scanner (and a camera!) the best I can do is to describe the sign as best I can.

I hope someone might be able to supply an approximate date for this sign (given the info I had posted in my initial post); I was thinking that, perhaps, this sign might have been placed in the windshield of a WAMATA bus, when the Grummans were yanked from service.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All:

Greatly appreciate your responses thus far.....most informative, to say the least! Wink

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