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fishbowl



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Quiz Reply with quote

A shiny new dime to the first person who can identify the maker of the bus in this St. Petersburg, Florida, photo. (I can't.)



At first I thought it was a Fageoliner, based on the "silversides" aluminum trim piece around the middle, but the variably-sized, slide-open windows say otherwise. What do you say?


Photo thanks to eBay auction #260951879009.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/260951879009?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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frankie



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would guess this is a Blue Bird with city body. The wheel wells looks identical to those used on Blue Bird's. The short front overhang and the very long rear overhang is also very typical of Blue Bird.

Frankie
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MBTA Lynn



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess would be a Southern. The profile reminds me of the Southerns that I rode when I was stationed at the Naval Training Center in Orlando.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would call it an excellent example of 'Fluid Drive'!

All joking aside; It's not a Fageoliner by virtue of the fact that the Fageoliner's standee windows have far greater separation from the passenger windows.

It could be a Southern Coach although my Southern specimen below shows square cornered passenger windows and the flood jobs windows are rounded at the corners although those odds and ends change from one model to the next so who knows?

If we could see the rear seat side window treatment on the flood job, it might answer the question.

Unfortunately, I am not very well versed on Southern equipment.

BTW; my model is courtesy of eBay and operated for Omaha & Council Bluffs Street Railway Company.

Regards,

Mr. 'L'

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frankie



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bus ID solved! I did a little detective work and the bus in question is St. Petersburg Municipal Transit System #205, SOUTHERN Model S-41-DHL delivered May 1956.

The above photo that Mr. L provided is probably San Antonio's #101, SOUTHERN Model S-45-HS, one of 50 acquired in 1954. O&CB never had SOUTHERN buses on their property.

Similar photo below courtesy of the Motor Bus Society.

Frankie

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fishbowl



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



Thanks, frankie, for your great detective work. Case closed!

And thanks to everyone for your helpful contributions. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am honored! However, I will forward my dime to Mr. L since he was the first to mention the Southern. Way to go Mr. L!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankie,

I must disappoint you on this one;

My Southern Coach (better angle below) shot was taken in the summer of 1954 at 42nd Street & "L" street in Omaha Nebraska. The bus is Omaha and Council Bluffs Street Railway # 101 and was built by the Southern Coach Company.

Note the destination sign as being the #6 Line to 42nd. and 'L' Streets via Stock Yards.

How the Southerns got to Omaha - I don't know - but they apparently did!

All photos borrowed for educational purposes.

Regards,

Mr. 'L'

P.S.; the dime is yours - you worked hard on this one!


Map of Livestock area of Omaha

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frankie



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky wrote:
frankie,

How the Southerns got to Omaha - I don't know - but they apparently did!

Mr. 'L'


Your are correct! This is definitely a Southern working in Omaha. However, I'm wondering if this particular bus was being used as a demo before being shipped off to San Antonio that same year. Note that there is no license plate on the front since all vehicles including O&CB buses had front plates during the era.

I based my information on the following observations:

The Southern roster in the April 84 issue of MCA shows around 166 S-45 models made and most of these were made near the end of Southern's production. There is no mention of any being made for O&CB. The 50 going to San Antonio were numbered 101 thru 150, the only production run of S-45's numbered as such.

The two part O&CB story in both the Jan-Mar 96 & Oct-Dec 96 makes no mention of Southern coaches both in text and the roster.

Great conversation Mr. L! Perhaps this bus will be a mystery for some time.

Frankie
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