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'The Buses of Jamaica Buses, Jamaica, New York'
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Mr. Linsky
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This just in!

While perusing GM production records for an upcoming 'Bus Nostalgia' piece on the GM PD 4106, I came across two buses that must be added to the Jamaica Buses roster as follows;

GM PD4106 Fleet # 310 & 311 (ser# 0025 & 0026) Delivered March 1962

Note; these particular coaches still had 8V-71 Diesels.

Additional note; I have amended the main roster to include this change.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBI with a couple of PD4106's? Shocked
Who knew??!!
I'll bet they looked very nice if they were painted in JBI's red & cream livery.
Nice catch, Mr. L!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a rare sighting of a Jamaica Buses 1946 GM model TD 4506 fleet number 207 (I say rare sighting because while I know where the bus came from originally and I remember distinctly when it and a number of others went to Jamaica (a GBL subsidiary), I never actual saw one operating in Jamaica livery).

Anyway, here is # 207's pedigree;

# 207 was originally delivered as # 207 to the Manhattan and Queens Bus Corporation division of Green Bus Lines, Inc. of Cornell Park New York in May of 1946.

Actually, 35 TD 4506's arrived at the time with 25 (901 to 925) carrying the Green Line flag and 10 (201 to 210) destined for M & Q service on the Q60 (Queens Boulevard) route.

In May of 1947 the M & Q franchise along with all the rolling stock (including 30 1937 Model CT Macks) transferred over to Green Line.

All buses were repainted to the parent company colors and the 4506's retained their original fleet numbers.

Sometime in the late fifties most of the 200's and virtually all of the 900's went to Jamaica.

Also shown below is # 210 in original Manhattan & Queens livery.

Notice the frontal improvements including a chromium bumper, larger directional signal fixtures and the addition of the GM wings and logo under the windshield (provided by the manufacturer free of charge).

Both photos courtesy of Dennis M. Linsky

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:16 pm    Post subject: Re: 'The Buses of Jamaica Buses, Jamaica, New York' Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky wrote:
While it is difficult to come upon virtually any information about Jamaica's pre World War II fleet except to say that it was mostly a variety of Twin Coaches, I have been able to put together some semblance of a post war list through 1989 below;

Mack C45-GT Fleet# 400 to 414 Delivered June 1947 (gas)
Mack C45-DT Fleet# 500 to 509 Delivered 1949 (Diesel)
Mack C45-DT Fleet# 550 to 559 Delivered 1950 (Diesel)

Note; # 550 to 559 were built for and rejected by a south Florida operator.

GM TDH 5106 (Old Look) Fleet# 601, 602 Delivered October 1953
GM TDH 5106 (Old Look) Fleet# 603 to 612 Delivered February 1955
GM TDH 5106 (Old Look) Fleet# 651 to 655 Delivered March 1958

Note; Most of the 5106’s eventually went to Green Bus Lines and were renumbered to their 900 series.

GM TDH 5302 (New Look) Fleet# 701 to 710 Delivered May 1960
GM PD 4106 (Parlor) Fleet# 310 & 311 (ser# 0025 & 0026) Del. March 62
GM TDH 5304 (New Look) Fleet# 751 to 760 Delivered April 1963
GM TDH 5303 (New Look) Fleet# 771 to 780 Delivered March 1964
Flxible FD6V-401-7 Fleet# 110 to 114 Delivered 1964 (# 114 went to Dineen Bus Lines/Oyster River Transportation, Kittery, Maine).
GM TDH 5303 (New Look) Fleet# 801 to 810 Delivered July 1966
GM TDH 5303 (New Look) Fleet# 821 to 830 Delivered March 1967
GM T6H 5305A (New Look) Fleet# 871 to 880 Delivered August 1969
GM T6H 5305A (New Look) Fleet# 901 to 915 Delivered April 1970
Flxible 111CC-D5-1 Fleet# 201 to 220 Delivered 1971
GM SH8 5303A (New Look) Fleet# 151 to 155 Delivered September 1971 (Charter Service)
GM T6H 5307 (New Look) Fleet# 951 to 960 Delivered October 1974
GM T8H 5307A (New Look) Fleet# 971 to 980 Delivered December 1976
GM TH 8203 (RTS) Fleet# 301 to 310 Delivered November 1979
Flxible 40102-8-1 (Metro) Fleet# 401 to 425 Delivered 1980
GM THJ 204 (RTS) Fleet# 501 to 511 Delivered July 1985
GM THJ 204 (RTS) Fleet# 512 to 529 Delivered January 1986
GM T8J 606 (RTS) Fleet# 551 to 567 Delivered December 1986
GMDD TC40 102A (Classic) Fleet# 601 to 607 Delivered February 1989


Note; Green Bus Lines supplied a large number of prewar Mack model CT's
after 1949 and reference to those transfers may be found under 'The Buses of Green Bus Lines' elsewhere in this forum.

Any further information on the Jamaica 'prewar' fleet history will be appreciated.

Mr. Linsky
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Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica & Rockaway, NY


Cool, but #401-425 were Grumman Flxible 870. NYCTA and the PBLs had Grumman 870, while MSBA had both the 870 and Flxible Metro.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WayneJay,

I will take your information as gospel and you may consider that the record is amended.

My source had indicated Metro but was obviously in error.

Thanks for the heads up!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamaica had at least three 1939 ACF model H-16-S buses, numbered 100 to 102. These went to Triboro Coach in 1949 as their #924-926.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When were the GMC RTS T8H-203's scrapped or retired? Were they ever retrofitted? I know 302 was as Mattituck 302 at East Island Auto Parts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the Jamaica Flxible suburbans (I think it was 110) went to Trombly Motor Coach Service in North Andover, MA. I remember seeing it there during the 1977 MBS convention.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to take this opportunity to introduce you all to one of the very first buses ever operated by Jamaica Buses, Inc. of Baisley Park, New York.

Attached is a factory photo of fleet number 200 - a 1931 Twin Coach Model 40 demonstrator which was folded into a fleet of thirty-seven like models that arrived at Jamaica in the following year.

You may note that # 200 is flagged for Jamaica Central Railways (Jamaica's parent) which, by the way, remained the corporate name of the company until its final day of operation in 2006.

Designed in 1927 by the Fageol Brothers in Kent, Ohio, the twin engined 40 passenger model 40 and its lesser capacity siblings were the first genuine 'street car' type transits and became a sensation selling well over a thousand to operators across the country through the mid thirties.

Photo courtesy of eBay.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: Jamaica Buses Flxible Suburbans Reply with quote

I was the driver of Trombly's ex Jamaica Buses Flxible Suburban at the MBS convention in 1977.

I started the day with an ex Eastern Mass. St. Ry. TDH5302. When we stopped at the Trombly garage, the New York members saw the ex JB Flxible and wanted the bus for the rest of the day.

It was so noisy going from neutral in to first gear that at one of the photo stops I found it easier though painful to keep it in first gear and my foot holding down the clutch pedal.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MBTA Lynn,

I was on that MBS trip and rode the Flx. Trombly was one of many interesting stops. If I recall correctly, they had some ex-Manhattan Transit buses, at one time, too.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seen awaiting their fate at their home base in Baisley Park, New York are fleet numbers 603, 608 and another 600 not legible enough to discern with all being GM TDH 5106's and all being part a group of seventeen numbered between 601 to 612 and 651 to 655 delivered in increments between 1953 and 1958 to Jamaica Buses, Inc.

GM's 40 foot long 96 inch wide 5106's were among the handsomest and most well proportioned transit buses ever built and Jamaica's came with a special air of elegance in their original rust and cream color combination set in an angel wings and bib design as seen in the factory shot of # 607 in the lower frame.

All of Jamaica's equipment was ordered through parent company Green Bus Line's office and they happened to be partial to the option of two extra decorative stainless wings under the windshields as seen on their own later model Old Looks.

Almost immediately after the photo was taken in 1978, thirteen of these 5106's were transferred to Green Line to serve out the rest of their usable lives.

Upper photo courtesy of Vintage-Vault75 and is up for bid on eBay as item # 180897991788.

Lower photo owned by this writer.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York


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