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N4 Jamaica




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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is now noon on Saturday April 17, 2010, and there is a bus substitution on the LIRR Hempstead branch because of trackwork at the west end of the Queens Village crossovers. Also, concrete will replace some rubber panels at the Covert Avenue crossing in Stewart Manor. I have no idea which buses will be used for the substitution, but here is my analysis of the schedule.
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The LIRR timetable for today and tomorrow indicates that express buses will leave Hempstead at 12:47, making stops at 8 train stations (many of which require winding access routes), arriving at Jamaica 55 minutes later. At 1:17 an express leaves Hempstead, also needing 55 minutes to reach Jamaica. At 1:18 a local bus leaves Hempstead, but with a schedule of 71 minutes to reach Jamaica. The difference between Express and Local seems to be that of Through passengers (connecting with trains to Penn Station) and Intermediate passengers (not needed connecting trains). The rail schedule for this route allows 30 minutes from Hempstead to Jamaica. The N6 has 46 minutes on the schedule, presumably because it does not wind its way to each station.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:12 am    Post subject: LIRR MCIS Reply with quote

several MCIS in Jamaica this weekend for LIRR including LIB MCIs that have indeed been relabeled MTA LONG ISLAND BUS on the rear and left side. Some have only the MTA logo and havent been relabeld yet just as u will notice many 6000 series orions that have been reassigned to Stengel that have not yet been reworded after being transfered from MTA BUS garages. Also in Jamaica are FAR ROCK MCIs and RVC Orion 5s in orange and blue. FOR ANY OF YOU THAT ARENT AWARE - ROCKVILLE CENTRE IS NOW A 24/7 GARAGE AND IS NOT CAPABLE OF HANDLING ALL OF THE WEEKEND MASS MOVE LIRR WORK LIKE IN THE PAST SO THE WORK IS EVENLY DIVIDED AMONGST THE GARAGES INCLUCING TO MTA BUS COMPANY GARAGES TO EVENLY SHARE THE OVERTIME SINCE THE MTA BUS COMPANY DRIVERS DONT GET SUBWAY SHUTTLE WORK AND TO USE MORE MCIS FOR LIRR CUSTOMERS
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the 2200s series new mcis have caused some of the 1800 and 1900 series to be retired or handed down to lib for lirr work, some are up in eastchester
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About 3:30 p.m., Wednesday, April 21, 2010, I encountered an MCI westbound on Sunrise Highway, Seaford, presumably having finished its mid-day duties east of Babylon. I did not get a good look at the number: it appeared to be 13xx. The run number was set at 003.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

N4 Jamaica wrote:
I did not get a good look at the number: it appeared to be 13xx.

The 1300's are Design Line buses. 18xx and 19xx are MCI buses.
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N4 Jamaica




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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I presume I read the number wrong. Thanks for the correction. Joe
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On Saturday afternoon, April 24, 2010, I went to Babylon to observe the transfer of passengers from train to bus at 4:24 p.m. Train 6114 had left Penn Station at 3:10. It made local stops to Massapequa Park. Then, because of single-tracking, it skipped Amityville, Copiague, and Lindenhurst. Upon arriving at Babylon, the passengers were given ten minutes to select the correct shuttle bus. First in line, 1692 took 17 passengers to Bay Shore. Next was 1642 to Islip, Great River, and Oakdale, 10 passengers. Bus 1564 had almost all 44 seats taken with passengers to Sayville and Patchogue. The "local" bus, 1545, destined to pick up intermediate-station travelers, was empty. Last on line was 1860, driver and supervisor inspecting a Hagstrom atlas for the express route to Patchogue. Four or five passengers earned the more direct ride on a better coach than 1564.
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Twelve or thirteen Orions were ready at Babylon. Four were used. Three MCI's were there from Mitchell Field: 1860, 1888, 1927. Photos are in the gallery. Use the Search for babylon, but be certain to check the Location Search box.
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No wonder travelers choose Hampton Jitney. On a Saturday afternoon, the LIRR has a 9-hour gap in eastbound service to the Hamptons and Montauk. Most Saturday service extends only to Patchogue or Speonk.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:22 pm    Post subject: BABYLON Reply with quote

JOE,
thanks for the Babylon detail - very thorough - even more than my Jamaica detail from the previous weekend
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:24 pm    Post subject: babylon Reply with quote

also - from the numbers u have given it appears that all of the buses are from mitchel field
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are observations from Long Beach, New York, about 5 p.m., Saturday, May 1, 2010. I saw four MCI's (1886, 1888, 1889, 1890), but I presume there were more north towards Valley Stream. The LIRR is rebuilding and elevating two bridges over creeks, and has discontinued train service for some weekends. Buses arriving at Long Beach carried crowds. Outbound, there were a forty or fifty teenagers who had just left the beach. Express buses, with a paper sign "Valley Stream," were scheduled to leave hourly, with some all-stop locals in between. Only the express service had a guaranteed connection to a train at Valley.
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Various Orions outnumbered the MCI's. And, of course, there were departures every 20 minutes of the N15 trekking to Roosevelt Field. Also, the N33 departed every 30 minutes for the A train at Far Rock, an inexpensive but tiresome way to get to Washington Heights for one fare. Also, there was the Long Beach and Point Lookout service with Gilligs.
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:30 pm    Post subject: long beach Reply with quote

with all that busing on LIRR it would probably just be much simpler to go thru Far Rock on the A to the n33 or LB like u said rather than the LIRR to valley for a bus if u r coming from manhattan
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: long beach Reply with quote

scatman wrote:
with all that busing on LIRR it would probably just be much simpler to go thru Far Rock on the A to the n33 or LB like u said rather than the LIRR to valley for a bus if u r coming from manhattan


It would certainly be cheaper via A train and N33 but not so sure about time.

Without looking at schedules, I think running time from VS to Penn Station is about 40 minutes. Assuming 20 minutes from LB to VS by bus that makes one hour, not counting climbing on and off the bus and getting to the LIRR platform. Let's say 75 minutes total.

Now the alternative. The A train from Far Rock to Penn is probably at least one hour, since you have that long run under Fulton Street. The N33 from LB to FR is about 20 minutes. Therefore you are at 80 minutes. Basically a push, except the A train provides great scenery over Jamaica Bay.

Again without checking schedules isn't there a General Order on the A on weekends for the massive trestle rebuilding? If so that would add even more time to the difference since there may be a bus-titution in effect at those times.
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