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Hart Bus



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:28 am    Post subject: FACC's Jackson Heights Depot Reply with quote

This question may have been asked and answered before on this board, but I don't have the time to scroll through 10 pages of posts in the section.

I remeber a depot on the south side of Northern Blvd around 77th street that served the #15 route (possibly split with a Manhattan Depot) ant the #16 route. I believe that the building carried on as a car dealership (Plymouth ?) into the 1970's if not later.

Any pictures would be appreciated.........


Thanks in Advance

Alan Aron
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I grew up near that area but I don't ever recall a bus depot being there. The closest depot to the area which you are referring to would be LaGuardia depot on 85th St/23rd Ave. Of course the nearest bus terminal is on 74th St/Broadway.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

future_bus_operator wrote:
I grew up near that area but I don't ever recall a bus depot being there. The closest depot to the area which you are referring to would be LaGuardia depot on 85th St/23rd Ave. Of course the nearest bus terminal is on 74th St/Broadway.


Dear Future Bus Driver: If my ariithmetic, you were born sometime in 1969.
The MABSTOA takeover of FACC and STS took place during March 1962, before you were born. Assuming a person starts to remember things when they are 10 years old, that takes us to 1979. I am sure that the property was a car dealership by then. That's why you wouldn't remember any depot in that spot.

The depot you are referring to was the Triboro Coach Company for many years. I still remember getting excited when I passed them on the Q-38. My mom would take me to La Guardia Airport so that I could go to the obersvation area on the roof of the terminal to watch the planes land and take off. Also saw how the ground crew had to move portable staircases to the plane so people could climb up and down and then walk the tarmac to/from the terminals.

Thanks anyway for trying to answer my question. Hopefully another poster has the info.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes sir, that is correct, I was born in 1969. I would like to know the answer to your question as well. I am going to ask your question on a jackson heights forum, they have long time J.H. residents on there.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this old fart had to take an educated guess...I'd say the dealership was probably Future Motors. Future was the largest NYC Dodge taxi dealership at the time, also selling the complete Dodge, Chrysler and Plymouth line.

Lets not forget the Old Queens-Nassau garage at 51st and Northern in Woodside, now part of a shopping plaza.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Free-transfer wrote:
If this old fart had to take an educated guess...I'd say the dealership was probably Future Motors. Future was the largest NYC Dodge taxi dealership at the time, also selling the complete Dodge, Chrysler and Plymouth line.

Lets not forget the Old Queens-Nassau garage at 51st and Northern in Woodside, now part of a shopping plaza.


FT: If you're an "Old Fart" at 49, what does that make me at 59? Older Fart?

I grew up in Sunnyside with my widowed mom, who couldn't afford a car. Whenever we took the "Astoria Bus" (the Q-104), the bus would go north on 48th to Northern and head east. I remember the car barn on 51st before it was a shopping center. On the south side at 48th, was a Ronzoni Pasta Factory and Imperial Lanes Bowling Alley. I also remember a Dodge Dealership on the south side of N/B around 49th Street that always had a Taxi Cab in front. I supposed they sold a lot of them. Don't remember the name but its possible that it was "Future" and they could have moved into the old FACC facility in Jackson Heights.

Hopefully another poster will get us the answer we are searching fore.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't going to come near solving the problem at hand, but I thought you might like a little very interesting reading in the form of an article that appeared in the New York Times in 1900 via the URL below.

It's really a great piece of FACCO history.

Note; the 'automobiles' referred to in the article were 'Battery Cars' which proved to be inadequate on the long runs from lower to upper Manhattan and were almost immediately replaced with horse drawn stages until the debut of FACCO's first real bus in 1907.

Enjoy.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9402E0DD143DE433A25750C0A9679C946197D6CF
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That yard on Northern Blvd & 51st street was the trolley yard too. We had a guy who sold tie clips and belt buckles at Queen Surface who brought a book of old pictures from those pre-bus days. Shots of the trolley cars on the outer roadway of the Queensborough Bridge that were soon to become the Q-101 Steinway St line from Steinway transit and a ton of pictures from the Queens Nassau trolley yard. Gee I wish I'd bought that book.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D.B.,

Is this something like what you're talking about?

BTW; the Q.B. Trolley ran up until April of 1957 and was one of the last operating traction lines in New York City.

Photos borrowed for educational purposes only.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes,although it was all black and white photos and they were in a binder. There had to be about 50 pages.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way the road instructor who trained me at first week at Steinway Transit had operated trolley cars. My first week was his last week.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D. B.,

You bring up something interesting;

I posted an article from the New York Times the other day on this and two other sites having to do with cuts in crosstown night bus operations and entitled it 'Cross Town Night Cars in Jeopardy'.

In one response from a member of another network I was asked why I used the term 'cars' instead of 'buses'.

Good question!; When I worked summers for Green Bus Lines in the late fifties many of the top seniority hired drivers from the twenties and thirties were originally trolley motormen and referred to their buses as cars (from the expression 'trolley car').

I guess it caught on because we all began referring to our rides as cars instead of buses.

I rather like using it because of its nostalgic ring.

Mr. 'L'
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: FACC's Jackson Heights Depot Reply with quote

Hart Bus wrote:
This question may have been asked and answered before on this board, but I don't have the time to scroll through 10 pages of posts in the section.

I remeber a depot on the south side of Northern Blvd around 77th street that served the #15 route (possibly split with a Manhattan Depot) ant the #16 route. I believe that the building carried on as a car dealership (Plymouth ?) into the 1970's if not later.

Any pictures would be appreciated.........


Thanks in Advance

Alan Aron
According to Oliver Ogden in his book "Fifth Avenue Coach Company":
"Fifth Avenue Coach Company's small Northern Boulevard garage in Jackson Heights, Queens, was closed on December 22, 1963, and Routes 15 and 16 were transferred to the 54th Street Garage."
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DEVILBUS65 wrote:
That yard on Northern Blvd & 51st street was the trolley yard too. We had a guy who sold tie clips and belt buckles at Queen Surface who brought a book of old pictures from those pre-bus days. Shots of the trolley cars on the outer roadway of the Queensborough Bridge that were soon to become the Q-101 Steinway St line from Steinway transit and a ton of pictures from the Queens Nassau trolley yard. Gee I wish I'd bought that book.
DB, you might like this book titled "Lost Trolleys of Queens & Long Island" by Stephen L .Meyers (2006, Arcadia Publishing). Available at Amazon.com, it is a 128 page paperback that has 36 pages and lots of photos about NY & Queens County Railway(the predecessor of Queens-Nassau Transit/Queens Transit/Queens Surface). It also covers Steinway Railway, Manhattan & Queens Traction (forerunner of lines operated by GBL), Jamaica Central Railways (forerunner of lines operated by JBI), and others.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky wrote:
D. B.,

You bring up something interesting;

I posted an article from the New York Times the other day on this and two other sites having to do with cuts in crosstown night bus operations and entitled it 'Cross Town Night Cars in Jeopardy'.

In one response from a member of another network I was asked why I used the term 'cars' instead of 'buses'.

Good question!; When I worked summers for Green Bus Lines in the late fifties many of the top seniority hired drivers from the twenties and thirties were originally trolley motormen and referred to their buses as cars (from the expression 'trolley car').

I guess it caught on because we all began referring to our rides as cars instead of buses.

I rather like using it because of its nostalgic ring.

Mr. 'L'

You know that's funny because even though I have been in the bus business for 23 years and my Dad was a B/O when I was born,I never heard the expression night car until this past September. I work in the NYCT Bus Command Center and I had a bus break down and the superintendent on duty called to ask me if the bus was the night car. So my answer was of course,"duh what's that?" Now I know.
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