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Carlton Storage - February 25, 2006
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« on: February 26, 2006, 12:01:56 AM »

Carlton Storage Yard

Click above to view the 54-set gallery of Carlton Storage Yard taken on February 25, 2006. There are two sets of images within this gallery (a duplicate of the other). One set is fully sized for the web, another second set has been left full-size so you can read the bus numbers of whatever I was able to snap.



Please see my report for associated trip details.
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2006, 12:19:21 AM »

Wooo... Lots of buses (and hybrids) for MTA Bus if ya ask me.  :-D
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2006, 01:06:48 AM »

BK nice Pictures are those buses going to MTA Bus. Or MTA Long Island?
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2006, 01:11:46 PM »

Sorry to ask a question to which everyone else on here will already know the answer, but where is this yard and where is Crosstown Depot, which seems so close to the East River and UN?
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2006, 01:18:39 PM »

What we call "Carlton Storage" may very well be called something else, because, technically, it's a LIRR right-of-way with a lot on the northern end of the tracks. It's located on the edge of Downtown Brooklyn and is bound by Altantic Avenue to the south, Vanderbilt Avenue to the east, Pacific Street to the south and Carlton Avenue to the west. That rectangle forms and encloses "Carlton Yard" which is below ground level. Access via employee pass from Carlton Avenue. However, for the more adventurous of you, there is an "opening" at the easternmost end of Pacific Street.

Crosstown response in the Crosstown thread.

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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2006, 10:29:20 PM »

Nice, glad to see you had fun on your photo blitz! I passed by there a few months ago and the storage lot wa pretty much filled but as time elapses I'm sure more of those repowers will end up on MTA Bus as there is a surplus of buses made possible by the takeover and numerous scrapped buses. There were some Remans there not too long ago however its not clear where they went.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2006, 10:56:26 PM »

Were you among the brave souls who navigated this "entrance"?



I wasn't about to climb Mount Junk for a better, more personal and up-close view, but I'm sure some have.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2006, 11:09:47 PM »


Wooo... Lots of buses (and hybrids) for MTA Bus if ya ask me.  :-D


I don't think those old hybrids are going anywhere anytime soon. None of them have battery packs either.

Here's what the UTC has at Carlton, dated February 11 2006:

RTS: 39, Hybrid Orions: 10, Scrap: RTS: 5.

HEV: 6350, 6351, 6352, 6353, 6354-6359

RTS: 8005, 8010, 8013, 8027, 8036, 8043, 8044, 8064, 8073, 8074, 8111, 8112, 8121, 8130, 8131, 8138, 8140, 8155, 8156, 8174, 8181, 8183, 8187, 8210, 8214, 8295, 8298, 8305, 8307, 8310, 8311, 8314, 8322, 8336, 8363, 8368, 8369, 8375, 8393.

Scrap: 8126, 8133, 8137, 8139, 8249.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2006, 11:14:49 PM »

Were you among the brave souls who navigated this "entrance"?

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I wasn't about to climb Mount Junk for a better, more personal and up-close view, but I'm sure some have.

Nope I normally stay on the Atlantic Av side. Its not always a bad idea to use 'different means' to get unconventional pics that stand out but that is a bit too much trash and the pile looks unstable heh.
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2006, 05:34:45 PM »


Wooo... Lots of buses (and hybrids) for MTA Bus if ya ask me.  :-D


I don't think those old hybrids are going anywhere anytime soon. None of them have battery packs either.

Here's what the UTC has at Carlton, dated February 11 2006:

RTS: 39, Hybrid Orions: 10, Scrap: RTS: 5.

HEV: 6350, 6351, 6352, 6353, 6354-6359

RTS: 8005, 8010, 8013, 8027, 8036, 8043, 8044, 8064, 8073, 8074, 8111, 8112, 8121, 8130, 8131, 8138, 8140, 8155, 8156, 8174, 8181, 8183, 8187, 8210, 8214, 8295, 8298, 8305, 8307, 8310, 8311, 8314, 8322, 8336, 8363, 8368, 8369, 8375, 8393.

Scrap: 8126, 8133, 8137, 8139, 8249.


Why are those hybrids there if they aren't in revenue use, why not sell them or do something with them?
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2006, 11:21:35 PM »

Whoever the last bus was in service (I believe it was 6353) -I think it should be preserved into the NYCTM.
It would not only be the 1st Orion Bus to be preserved, but also the 1st LF in service and to be preserved.  Either Manhattanville or Mother Clara Hale should store it since they ran it the most.  Is there any talk of the NYCTM saving 1?
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2006, 08:36:31 AM »

The difficulty and expense of new batteries may end up outweighing the historical value of saving an Orion VI hybrid. 

Fifteen or twenty years from now, I think people will look at the O7's as New York's first true hybrid fleet and the O6's will be considered little more than historical curiosities that ran for a few years.

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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2006, 05:52:26 PM »

The difficulty and expense of new batteries may end up outweighing the historical value of saving an Orion VI hybrid. 

Fifteen or twenty years from now, I think people will look at the O7's as New York's first true hybrid fleet and the O6's will be considered little more than historical curiosities that ran for a few years.

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I always thought they had saved one but now I guess they should, still the Orion VI was pretty much a demo which means they should save it being that the MTA got their first start of their hybrid fleet because of this bus.
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2006, 09:51:14 PM »

Regarding these 10 Orion 6 hybrids at Carlton, why are they stored and not in revenue service? What are the differences in batteries between the 06 and 07 that make them unusable (or cost prohibitave)? Surely they could be put to good use at MTA Bus or anywhere else.

Why were they pulled in the first place?
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2006, 10:01:43 PM »

From what I heard about the Orion VI, is that they were pulled out of service due to inability to have parts supplied from Orion. The MTA was trying to get parts from the CTA in Albany. In general not a whole lot of Orion VI were produced. CTA has had similar issues to the mta in that the engines were fine but the recharging system and when a breakdown did happen a tow was almost always a certain vs. where a road truck was able to do the service. I really do not see these buses being put back into revenue service, maybe one for the history books ( I hope) and the rest to CTA in Albany or Centro in Syracuse where these bus were purchased as part of the DEC, Energy program and not the MTA budget.
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